Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:34:52 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-) Some of the citizens in AlansUserland believe that's the culture. Honest guv, I swear, it wasn't my doing! -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 /jonas Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800 schrieb Lavender 448463...@qq.com: Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do . -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: Michael Molmike...@gmail.com; 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 收件人: gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote: Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. cd /sys/module/modulename/drivers/ And go from there lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers $ ls pci:ahci $ cd pci\:ahci/ $ ls :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] $ So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help.
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. The lack of netiqutte, well ... if I only I had a penny for every time that we have collectively or singularly asked people to respect it. ;-) Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my best to help as well. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the usual way of solving problems is a cycle of i am trying to do X and receive error Y-hey, try Z-oh, now A happens-try B too etc. Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place. what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) and how they react to hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude. not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:08:19 +0200 Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. Simplest possible answer: Chinese internet cafe's that use NAT. It only takes one regular to discover a halfway decent Chinese-English translation site that does mail, and suddenly the cafe's entire regular customer base uses it. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.netwrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my best to help as well. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the usual way of solving problems is a cycle of i am trying to do X and receive error Y-hey, try Z-oh, now A happens-try B too etc. Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place. what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) and how they react to hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude. not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious. I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). -- Matthew Finkel
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400 Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). Dealing with foreign users can be interesting, triply so if they are not European/Caucasian. I have about 150 or so technical users throughout Africa (Nigerians are especially interesting) and their Support requests routinely end up in spam folders. These are ISP employees, you'd think the mail lines would work smoothly. Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
