On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered ugly
except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated
grounds.
Check out the email from William Kenworth in this mailing list; he's having
On Mar 28, 2012 1:17 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered ugly
except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated
grounds.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:17:56 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
Check out the email from William Kenworth in this mailing list; he's
having trouble with initramfs being a blackbox.
As a (mostly) server guy, I much prefer using a whitebox.
It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:32:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
We're going to be stuck with some issues anyway, no matter how we cope
with things. At the moment, I've got my /usr on RAID1, which I think
doubles up the speed things load at.
Use 0.90 metadata and you can put / on RAID1 too.
(It's
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
plain cpio archive, and post it here.
I did post it a week or so ago in another thread.
The init
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
and from the few seconds the error message is on the the screen I cant
see why as the
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
plain cpio archive, and post
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as
well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they
wanted and planned.
According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red
Hat. It's
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 08:54 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
and from the few seconds the
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
Fortunately a mount -a followed by
emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked).
I subsequently found the bug below.
Thanks for
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:55:20AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was
to copy (not move)
I've been getting the following Ping-ponging of fltk for maybe a
couple weeks now.
What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
slotted.
When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
x11-libs/fltk-1.3.0-r1
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
However after
Hi!
I let Dracut mount /usr and I do not mount it again at boot. In order
to do so I have added the noauto option in /etc/fstab:
/dev/mapper/vg-usr /usrext4noauto,noatime
1 2
Use with caution.
Greetings,
--
Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
transient and persistent.
In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would only exist until
/usr had been mounted and the runtime PATH set up. After the
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
--
Neil Bothwick
Do you reply to our surveys.?
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* Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [120328 11:06]:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
software outside of Gentoo.
Or have I broken my system?
Probably.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else Ping-Ponging with fltk?:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
[snip]
Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
For us
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle
things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so space is not
an issue.
Assuming / is the first (or second) partition on
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:
* Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [120328 11:06]:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
* David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com [120328 11:22]:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else Ping-Ponging with fltk?:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
[snip]
Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:
* David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com [120328 11:22]:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else Ping-Ponging with fltk?:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman
* Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com [120328 11:28]:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:
* Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [120328 11:06]:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
Don't know.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:14:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
world.
Fine, but it hardly seems that it's broken just because there's a
library in world?
Something is depending on a particular
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
world.
For us programmers it is often essential that we have one or more
library packages in world, since we might be using that library (or
those libraries) in
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:39:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
And more specifically, if the two versions of fltk are slotted it makes
me even more surprised that portage wants to depclean the 1.3.0 version.
It can't depclean the other version, because that slot is specifically
depended on.
--
Allan Gottlieb writes:
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Move partitions after / on the disk out of the way creating enough
free space to contain current / and /usr.
Question. /dev/sda7 is LVM and that is used for /usr, /local, et al.
How do I move an LVM partition? I could
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:00:43 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else Ping-Ponging with fltk?:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
The question I think Todd Goodman is trying to ask is why a package
in world should be a candidate for depclean.
Hi, Neil.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
transient and persistent.
In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would only
From: Canek Peláez Valdés [mailto:can...@gmail.com]
I agree with most of what you say; however, I believe you are mistaken
about the static nature of the binaries in the initramfs created by dracut. I
use dracut with the whole bang (plymouth, systemd, udev, you name it), and
I don't have
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered ugly
except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated
grounds.
Check out the email from
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't
know if it's true or not.
dracut wants you to have loadable module /support/ in your kernel so it can
scan for modules needed by the rootfs. The kernel-module support in
Hello,
So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
is gpsd and gpsdrive?
It shows up via lsusb.
Any discussion or other software recommendations is most
welcome.
James
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Hello,
So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
is gpsd and gpsdrive?
It shows up via lsusb.
Any
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
Fortunately a mount -a followed by
emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked).
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what
they wanted and planned.
According to Greg K-H,
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
Fortunately a mount -a followed by
emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
has be
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
Fortunately a
I just wrote:
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
I subsequently found the bug below.
Thanks for being so kind of doing so!
Whoops, I misread 'found' for 'filed'. But anyway, thanks for the
information :)
Wonko
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes:
I offer you two choices:
a. Move a few commands into an initramfs, truly only the ones you
really do need, or
b. Move 7G of files onto / (i.e. everything) and lose any benefit you
(and everyone else with different ideas to you) may want by
Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org writes:
Yes , of course it's /possible/, it's just not /practical/.
Perhaps, but still?
I don't se how that is less practical than collecting them to a ramdisk?
Just do exactly the same steps up to the cpio | gzip -part
I do agree with most of what you say
with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes those to /etc/resolv.conf
This is at the top of /etc/resolv.conf
#
On 3/28/12, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:
I've been getting the following Ping-ponging of fltk for maybe a
couple weeks now.
What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
slotted.
When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
Because the other slot satisfies the requirements of world, which
contains an unslotted version. But then --update always tries to
installed the newest suitable version. In other words, his system is
broken.
--
Neil Bothwick
Then my system must be broken too. emerge -uND world made a
Then
copy /usr over:
mount -o bind / /mnt
mount -o remount,ro /usr
cp -a /usr/* /mnt/
The bind moun t makes the root FS appear in a 2nd place, without /usr
being populated by the content of your /usr partition.
Don't forget to remove /usr from /etc/fstab.
I can
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400
Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will
shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:51:23 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init
script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs
file is a plain cpio archive, and
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
[snip]
Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no
longer a
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:07:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
What happens to files that are installed to /bin, /sbin or /lib by
default?
Aren't they getting shoved into /usr? I thought that was the whole
point of the excercise.
That /may/ happen at some time, but not now, so we need a
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote:
I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and
/usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the true UNIX way that Linux is
following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :)
Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handling
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 22:47:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
Since someone has already asked about this off-list, the method is
described on sysrescd.org and involves a GRUB menu entry like
echo Adding: System Rescue CD
menuentry System Rescue CD {
set
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
-- and anything else -- before
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:58:23 +0200, pk wrote:
organisation and I happen to be on the side which thinks the FHS
rationalisation for /bin, /sbin, /lib is a neat one. Others thinks the
neatest solution is to put everything into one directory (whatever that
may be) and that's fine too, if there
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:45:40 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
echo Adding: System Rescue CD
menuentry System Rescue CD {
set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86-2.5.1.iso
loopback loop $sysresiso
linux (loop)/isolinux/rescue64 rootpass=whatever setkmap=uk
isoloop=$sysresiso initrd
On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org
wrote:
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote:
with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
being able to su to root from a user. I wonder if that is related
somehow. o_O
Dale
:-)
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
being able to su to root
Neil Bothwick wrote:
It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it is a simple
cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want total control,
build your own, it is not rocket science.
cough cough You sure about that? I have tried building one, then
building it
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
as well use Fedora since it sort of started there.
David W Noon wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote:
[snip]
With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
-- and
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org
wrote:
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Michael Mol wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
What you describe sounds ok, but I'd still hesitate to give a definite
answer without a little more data.
If you send over the output of
df -h
du -shx for each partition you have
fdisk -l
pvdisplay
vgdisplay
lvdisplay
I'll be happy to go
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
Oh
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