On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Rich Freeman wrote:
It sounds like you not only expect them to comply with the license,
but also with the kernel devs personal interpretation of copyright
law.
What is a license but a statement of the intent of the authors as to what
can and can't be done with their work?
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Jeremi Piotrowski
jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Rich Freeman wrote:
It sounds like you not only expect them to comply with the license,
but also with the kernel devs personal interpretation of copyright
law.
What is a license but a
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/18/2015 09:54 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
I think the kernel devs would be hard-pressed to mount some kind of
GPL infringement lawsuit. In general US courts have tended to block
attempts to use
On 08/17/2015 11:37 PM, Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015, Rod wrote:
Hi list,
Hi
I'm trying to figure out how to make my boot partition to boot from UEFI,
I have grub2 installed, but I keep getting a error when I ask it to install
the boot information.
First things
2015-08-18 10:38 GMT-06:00 cov...@ccs.covici.com:
So, how do I get the -
versions of the ebuilds to give me all the correct files like the 2.16.x
versions do? I know the - are from git, but it should do what
gentoo wants.
This isn't realistic, you can't ask the devs to check every
Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-08-18 10:38 GMT-06:00 cov...@ccs.covici.com:
So, how do I get the -
versions of the ebuilds to give me all the correct files like the 2.16.x
versions do? I know the - are from git, but it should do what
gentoo wants.
This isn't
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:09:07AM -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-08-18 10:38 GMT-06:00 cov...@ccs.covici.com:
So, how do I get the -
versions of the ebuilds to give me all the correct files like the 2.16.x
versions do? I know
On 2015-08-19, John Campbell jdc@cox.net wrote:
How about emerge --color=n --nospinner -p @smart-live-rebuild Color
and spinners are the only things in portage that should be using curses.
IMO, emerge should not be doing stuff like that for two reasons:
1) It's broken: the assumptions
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Well, I would be willing to do that, but the only difference between the
.999 ones and the regular ones is that the . ones inherit virtualx
and they have the following
inherit eutils gnome2 multilib-minimal virtualx
if [[ ${PV} = ]];
Jeremi Piotrowski jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Well, I would be willing to do that, but the only difference between the
.999 ones and the regular ones is that the . ones inherit virtualx
and they have the following
inherit
Are packages of major versions of PHP all slotted now?
In trying to upgrade from 5.3 to 5.6 I get the following query:
# emerge -uDatvk dev-lang/php
* IMPORTANT: 8 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
* Use eselect news read to view new items.
These are the packages that would
On 19/08/2015 19:05, Ajai Khattri wrote:
Are packages of major versions of PHP all slotted now?
Yes
In trying to upgrade from 5.3 to 5.6 I get the following query:
# emerge -uDatvk dev-lang/php
* IMPORTANT: 8 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
* Use eselect news read
On 19/08/2015 21:58, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:55:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 10:28:48 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
Smart live rebuild only deals with live ebuilds. How would it help in this
case?
Anyone cares to explain what is a live ebuild?
Then
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 7:00:15 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/18/2015 08:39 PM, Dale wrote:
Here's a clue. Why doesn't the kernel devs let users decide what
drivers they are comfy with using? If they don't
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 10:28:48 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, John Campbell wrote:
On 08/18/2015 06:38 PM, walt wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:03:31 -0700
John Campbell jdc@cox.net wrote:
I haven't really been following this closely but I haven't seen any
On 2015-08-19, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:55:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
Anyone cares to explain what is a live ebuild?
A live ebuild is an ebuild that pulls the code to build straight
from whatever version control the developers are using, so you
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:55:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 10:28:48 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
Smart live rebuild only deals with live ebuilds. How would it help in this
case?
Anyone cares to explain what is a live ebuild?
Then I may be able to understand what
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 19/08/2015 21:58, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:55:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 10:28:48 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
Smart live rebuild only deals with live ebuilds. How would it help in this
case?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
So do I file a bug on bgo, or is there some other way I should contact
the gnome overlay maintainers/?
I think the easiest way would be to report throught the #gentoo-desktop
IRC channel. They might tell you to go to the bugzilla.
Jeremi Piotrowski jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
So do I file a bug on bgo, or is there some other way I should contact
the gnome overlay maintainers/?
I think the easiest way would be to report throught the #gentoo-desktop
IRC
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The illegal part is not loading it but distributing the blob that depends on
the GPL exports.
What makes it illegal? Quote the text of the relevant statute or
court case. That is the issue here.
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Jeremi Piotrowski
jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Rich Freeman wrote:
It sounds like you not only expect them to comply with the license,
but also with the kernel devs personal
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:28:37 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The illegal part is not loading it but distributing the blob that depends
on
the GPL exports.
What makes it illegal? Quote the text
On 08/19/2015 06:21 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Copyright law makes everything illegal. Downloading the source and
reading it is illegal. Why wouldn't it be illegal? The copyright holders
have made it clear that you have no license to do so.
If I distribute a binary kernel module, I'm not
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 7:14:19 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 08/19/2015 06:21 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Copyright law makes everything illegal. Downloading the source and
reading it is illegal. Why wouldn't it be illegal? The copyright holders
have made it clear that you have no
Le 2015-08-19 19:14, Michael Orlitzky a écrit :
On 08/19/2015 06:21 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Copyright law makes everything illegal. Downloading the source and
reading it is illegal. Why wouldn't it be illegal? The copyright holders
have made it clear that you have no license to do so.
If I
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 05:28 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The illegal part is not loading it but distributing the blob that depends on
the
On 08/19/2015 05:28 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The illegal part is not loading it but distributing the blob that depends on
the GPL exports.
What makes it illegal? Quote the text of the relevant
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 21:22:02 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 19/08/2015 21:58, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:55:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 19 Aug 2015 10:28:48 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
Smart live rebuild only
Le 2015-08-19 20:04, Michael Orlitzky a écrit :
On 08/19/2015 07:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
2. Patching it.
3. Linking it with closed source code.
4. Distributing the result.
(If that's not what you have in mind, maybe we are at
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jeremi Piotrowski
jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
They could, but I was under the impression that by using licensed software
you agree to follow it's terms. And the binding nature of licenses is
codified in copyright law.
You don't need a license to use
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The law is not clear about that. But how can it not be a derived work if it
doesn't work without it?
A is only a derived work of B if the law says it is.
My pot isn't a derived work of my stove. My
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 09:05 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
Anything you can do without the kernel source code is legal, sure. But
we're talking about...
1.
On 08/19/2015 09:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
When you download software you receive a copy. You start out with
zero works. Somebody sends you a copy of that work. You write it to
disk. You end up with the same number of copies as you were given.
Cite a court case that upholds a claim
Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The law is not clear about that. But how can it not be a derived work if it
doesn't work without it?
A is only a derived work of B if the law says it is.
My pot isn't a derived
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:09:59 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The law is not clear about that. But how can it not be a derived work if
it
doesn't work without it?
A is only a derived work of B
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 09:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
When you download software you receive a copy. You start out with
zero works. Somebody sends you a copy of that work. You write it to
disk. You end up with the same number
On 08/19/2015 07:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
2. Patching it.
3. Linking it with closed source code.
4. Distributing the result.
(If that's not what you have in mind, maybe we are at cross purposes).
Step #1 is illegal unless you
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
Anything you can do without the kernel source code is legal, sure. But
we're talking about...
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
You're receiving a copy of it. You don't need a license to download
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
I'm not a lawyer but as I understand it, it's not on the letter of the law
because it's a technical issue and the law hasn't caught up.
My view, and what I think is most in the spirit of the law, is
Le 2015-08-19 20:48, Michael Orlitzky a écrit :
On 08/19/2015 08:37 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
What's the purpose of these quotes?
Neither of them says it doesn't allow steps 1-3. Instead of doing selective
reading you should read the whole thing. If that's too much just read the first
few
On 08/19/2015 09:05 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
Anything you can do without the kernel source code is legal, sure. But
we're talking about...
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
You're receiving a
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jeremi Piotrowski
jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
This discussion has been going on ever since the kernel was first
conceived, and some matters are still not entirely clear.
Honestly, I don't think they'll be any consensus on this argument
until a court
I'm seeing horrible performance from the xfce window manager (xfwm4) on
my main, everyday machine, but not on an older backup machine or on any
of the linux virtual machines I run on virtualbox.
The symptoms: moving a window with the mouse is so slow as to be
painful, and the CPU usage (on one
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:20:41 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 08:37 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
What's the purpose of these quotes?
Neither of them says it doesn't allow steps 1-3. Instead of doing
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The GPL symbols are not necessary for interoperability. For that you need
little more that access to the hardware and an interface to userspace. Most of
those GPL symbols are convenience routines to
Michel Catudal wrote:
Le 2015-08-19 20:04, Michael Orlitzky a écrit :
On 08/19/2015 07:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
2. Patching it.
3. Linking it with closed source code.
4. Distributing the result.
(If that's not what you have in
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 8:04:01 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 08/19/2015 07:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
2. Patching it.
3. Linking it with closed source code.
4. Distributing the result.
(If that's not what you have
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 07:40 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
1. Downloading the kernel source (making a copy of) it.
2. Patching it.
3. Linking it with closed source code.
4. Distributing the result.
(If that's not what you have
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 08:37 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
What's the purpose of these quotes?
Neither of them says it doesn't allow steps 1-3. Instead of doing selective
reading you should read the whole thing. If that's too
Le 2015-08-19 22:18, walt a écrit :
I'm seeing horrible performance from the xfce window manager (xfwm4) on
my main, everyday machine, but not on an older backup machine or on any
of the linux virtual machines I run on virtualbox.
The symptoms: moving a window with the mouse is so slow as to
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/18/2015 08:39 PM, Dale wrote:
Here's a clue. Why doesn't the kernel devs let users decide what
drivers they are comfy with using? If they don't like the drivers, then
make it so that users have to install their
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Jeremi Piotrowski
jeremi.piotrow...@gmail.com wrote:
Companies have frequently been ...
applying their own interpretation of what constitutes derived work.
...
I have nothing against proprietary/closed source kernel modules as long as
they comply with the terms
On 19/08/15 15:26, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having problems
opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
Does this (unsigned) message cause kmail to crash?
--
wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au
GnuPG Key: B2D9F759
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 04:25:11 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 16:18, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:53:38 AM Dale wrote:
Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having
problems opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
On 19/08/15 16:31, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:25:20 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03:59 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 15:26, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 04:37:03 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 16:31, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:25:20 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03:59 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 15:26, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:53:38 AM Dale wrote:
Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having
problems opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
It opens fine here. It's short and has a GnuPG v2 signature attached at
the bottom. Could
On 19/08/15 16:18, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:53:38 AM Dale wrote:
Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having
problems opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
It opens fine here. It's short and has a GnuPG v2
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03:59 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 15:26, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having problems
opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
Does this (unsigned) message cause kmail to crash?
No, that's it. I
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:25:20 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03:59 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 15:26, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
PS: There's a post by wraeth on this thread, is anybody having problems
opening it? kmail crashes everytime I try.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
On 19/08/15 16:47, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 04:25:11 PM wraeth wrote:
The only other distinct thing I can see about my message in this
thread is that mine had a URL in the body (excluding email
addresses above quotes).
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 8:50:30 AM J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 04:37:03 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 16:31, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:25:20 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03:59 PM wraeth wrote:
On
Maybe emerge --quiet=y -a @smart-live-rebuild
Smart live rebuild only deals with live ebuilds. How would it help in this
case?
It seems I miss-remembered from the first post, looking back I see it
was revdep-rebuild, not smart-live-rebuild.
Am Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:54:30 -0400
schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
I do get the frustration of the kernel developers. The GPU makers
should be competing on their GPUs, not on their drivers. However,
Linux isn't their main market and forcing the issue is probably just
going to drive
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, John Campbell wrote:
On 08/18/2015 06:38 PM, walt wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:03:31 -0700
John Campbell jdc@cox.net wrote:
I haven't really been following this closely but I haven't seen any
suggestion to use emerge -1 --quiet=y smart-live-rebuild to remove
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Dale wrote:
I did some searching based on the config option you gave and I'm unable
to find a way to override this myself. It doesn't seem to be a setting
I can put in make.conf or package.use etc either. If this is the case,
I may wish Nvidia would switch to open
Am Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:13:53 -0700
schrieb John Campbell jdc@cox.net:
And as
python's an interpreted language revdep-rebuild won't find it.
Huh? If Python is the problem, I would think it's because its C implementation
uses dlopen(3) instead of linking at build time (which could apply to
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 03:14:36 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 8:50:30 AM J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 04:37:03 PM wraeth wrote:
On 19/08/15 16:31, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:25:20 AM Fernando
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 09:57:19 AM Marc Joliet wrote:
Am Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:54:30 -0400
schrieb Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org:
I do get the frustration of the kernel developers. The GPU makers
should be competing on their GPUs, not on their drivers. However,
Linux isn't their
On 08/19/2015 10:39 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/19/2015 09:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
When you download software you receive a copy. You start out with
zero works. Somebody sends you a copy of that work. You write
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
Try a different exercise. Go buy a Quran. Now use it as a cryptographic key to
encrypt an email. Is the email now a derived work? That's no a perfect analogy
but it's more like what happens when you
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:43:05 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote:
The GPL symbols are not necessary for interoperability. For that you need
little more that access to the hardware and an interface to
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