Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.biz2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? Something related to consolekit was taking by far the most time. But I thought I was supposed to remove that. So I make USE include -consolekit, and removed console kit, and did emerge -uD --newuse world, but yet, pambase insists on pulling in consolekit no matter what. I compile it separate (emerge -1 ...) without consolekit USE, and the works. But whenever I update consolekit wants get added again. Anyway, right now I have it removed and it does come up faster without it. But another thing I miss is knowing where it is in the boot process. The systemd doesn't tell me anything. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.biz2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? Something related to consolekit was taking by far the most time. But I thought I was supposed to remove that. So I make USE include -consolekit, and removed console kit, and did emerge -uD --newuse world, but yet, pambase insists on pulling in consolekit no matter what. I compile it separate (emerge -1 ...) without consolekit USE, and the works. But whenever I update consolekit wants get added again. Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? Anyway, right now I have it removed and it does come up faster without it. Cool. But another thing I miss is knowing where it is in the boot process. The systemd doesn't tell me anything. Actually it does; if you are not using plymouth (or another splash), the standard listing of services gets printed on the console, with even the [ OK ] that a lot of people like. A copy of this output gets logged in /var/log/boot.log. Also, you can boot with systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug, and everything (which is a lot) will get stored in the kernel ring buffer, so you can check it out afterwards with dmesg. The thing with this output is that, when properly configured, systemd is just too fast for it to be useful; my laptop boots so fast that I cannot even see it even if I disable plymouth. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? It seems like polkit is actually the culprit. * These packages depend on pambase: app-admin/sudo-1.8.6_p3 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) net-misc/openssh-6.1_p1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20081028) sys-apps/openrc-0.11.5 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) sys-apps/shadow-4.1.5.1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20120417) sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) (systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[systemd]) (!systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[consolekit]) sys-libs/pam-1.1.6 (sys-auth/pambase) x11-misc/lightdm-1.4.0 (=sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r2) diffing polkit 104 and 107 ebuilds shows some changes in the systemd related USE selection logic. I DO also have the systemd USE flag set. Yet, polkit is requiring pambase with consolekit. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? It seems like polkit is actually the culprit. * These packages depend on pambase: app-admin/sudo-1.8.6_p3 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) net-misc/openssh-6.1_p1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20081028) sys-apps/openrc-0.11.5 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) sys-apps/shadow-4.1.5.1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20120417) sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) (systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[systemd]) (!systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[consolekit]) sys-libs/pam-1.1.6 (sys-auth/pambase) x11-misc/lightdm-1.4.0 (=sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r2) diffing polkit 104 and 107 ebuilds shows some changes in the systemd related USE selection logic. I DO also have the systemd USE flag set. Yet, polkit is requiring pambase with consolekit. Enable the systemd USE flag in polkit and it will not require consolekit: pam? ( systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[systemd] ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[consolekit] ) ) That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re
20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Canek Peláez Valdés said:
Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull
pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in
/etc/portage/package.use?
Just synced with latest portage and here is what emerge is currently
telling me:
venus ~ # emerge -uDpv --newuse world
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sci-libs/suitesparseconfig-4.0.2 USE=-static-libs
318 kB [ebuild U ] sci-libs/colamd-2.8.0 [2.7.4]
USE=-static-libs 362 kB [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Net-HTTP-6.50.0
[6.30.0] 16 kB
[ebuild U ] dev-python/pyxdg-0.24 [0.23] USE={-test%} (-examples%*) 46 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/mlocate-0.26 [0.25] USE=nls (-selinux) 351 kB
[ebuild U ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.20.13 [2.20.12] USE=dri sna
udev xvmc -glamor -uxa 1,611 kB
[ebuild U ] net-misc/aria2-1.15.2 [1.15.0] USE=bittorrent gnutls
libxml2%* nettle* nls scripts sqlite ssl xmlrpc -adns% -metal
ink {-test} (-ares%) (-bash-completion%*) (-doc%) (-expat%*) 1,996 kB
[ebuild U ] app-text/calibre-0.9.6 [0.9.5] USE=udisks 26,706 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam policykit
-debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
Total: 10 packages (7 upgrades, 2 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 31,403
kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by @selected, required by
@world (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
-- Keith
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Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.biz20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. I already have it set globally, but I just added it specially to package.use just to make sure. Same result. Something is wrong with the logic there. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.biz20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. I already have it set globally, but I just added it specially to package.use just to make sure. Same result. Something is wrong with the logic there. Yeah, portage is doing something weird here (or you have some rogue config files). Did you move make.conf from /etc to /etc/portage? It is possible that the old copy is still in /etc? What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re
20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.biz20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.bizCADPrc81rNbM2XLnOsANLsY5dL-8o2Lmdwe1+8+GNrtNuxV4h0w@mail.gmail.com20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Canek Peláez Valdés said:
What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says?
The pam use flag has always been set globally.
Here is the output:
venus ~ # emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam policykit
-debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 USE=examples gtk introspection nls
pam -kde (-selinux) (-systemd) 0 kB
Total: 3 packages (1 new, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by sys-auth/polkit (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
Usually package.use entry should also work:
venus ~ # grep polkit /etc/portage/package.use
sys-auth/polkit systemd
Yet something is forcing systemd flag off for polkit, but I can't figure out
what it is.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote:
Re
20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.biz20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.bizCADPrc81rNbM2XLnOsANLsY5dL-8o2Lmdwe1+8+GNrtNuxV4h0w@mail.gmail.com20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Canek Peláez Valdés said:
What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says?
The pam use flag has always been set globally.
Here is the output:
venus ~ # emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam
policykit -debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 USE=examples gtk introspection
nls pam -kde (-selinux) (-systemd) 0 kB
Total: 3 packages (1 new, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by sys-auth/polkit (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
Usually package.use entry should also work:
venus ~ # grep polkit /etc/portage/package.use
sys-auth/polkit systemd
Yet something is forcing systemd flag off for polkit, but I can't figure out
what it is.
Oops, sorry, I forgot about it. They included systemd in
package.use.mask, since it conflicts with consolekit (which is the
standard in Gentoo still). You need to add this to
/etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask:
sys-auth/polkit -systemd
Then you will be able to use polkit with systemd, and consolekit will
be expunged from your system.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112155355.3766e304@dartworks.biz20121112155355.3766e304@dartworks.bizCADPrc83xjvcJgkRW32iWK_D_tyJN_gvaMOCR58CiFeZxwihxow@mail.gmail.com20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.bizCADPrc81rNbM2XLnOsANLsY5dL-8o2Lmdwe1+8+GNrtNuxV4h0w@mail.gmail.com20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: You need to add this to /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask: sys-auth/polkit -systemd Then you will be able to use polkit with systemd, and consolekit will be expunged from your system Thanks a lot, that fixed it. Now it seems to work much better. Now I have to change some habits... such as when I switch to the console I may sometimes do /etc/init.d/xdm stop, and /etc/init.d/gpm start. Now I can't do that. It doesn't seem gpm has a .start file, so I guess I'll have to make one myself. Where do I add that? It looks like /etc/systemd/user? -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Ok, it's also helpful to add the systemd overlay and emerge systemd-units and baselayout-systemd. You also have to enable by hand most services. There wasn't one for lightdm (to get graphical login), but slim had one so I just switched to that. Turns out I like that one better, anyway. :-) -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Ok, it's also helpful to add the systemd overlay and emerge systemd-units and baselayout-systemd. Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? You also have to enable by hand most services. There wasn't one for lightdm (to get graphical login), but slim had one so I just switched to that. Turns out I like that one better, anyway. :-) You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Re 2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.biz2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? Must be, it had all the necessary .service files that were missing from the systemd install. You probably still had those laying around from when you did use the overlay. You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Except that there was no service file for my preferred login manager. But I saw there was one installed for the slim manager. So rather than fight, I switched. I also googled a little and found that lightdm has an open bug for requesting systemd support Anyway, works fine with slim, and it turns out I like it better anyway. Especially since lightdm-gtk-greeter recently broke the background image support. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.biz2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? Must be, it had all the necessary .service files that were missing from the systemd install. That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. You probably still had those laying around from when you did use the overlay. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Except that there was no service file for my preferred login manager. But I saw there was one installed for the slim manager. So rather than fight, I switched. I also googled a little and found that lightdm has an open bug for requesting systemd support Anyway, works fine with slim, and it turns out I like it better anyway. Especially since lightdm-gtk-greeter recently broke the background image support. systemd support is generally optional, not mandatory. In other words, if lightdm works with OpenRC, it will work with systemd; maybe it will not integrate a lot of features from it, but it will work as it works in OpenRC: as a standalone service. I'm pretty sure a Google search will give you several instances of service files for lightdm (or wathever login manager you want to use). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Re 2012185801.58964939@dartworks.biz2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. As long as you know what the dependencies are and how to invoke it (is it a deamon, or not?). Yes you can figure all that out and write all files but it would take some time. the overlay saved me a lot of time. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. And syslog-ng, and others I forgot. These have already been done in the overlay. So after some experience with it, I see that booting is a little faster, but not much. But my xfce session startup seems to take longer now. hm... It's also less clear how to manage this thing. The systemadm tool segfaults on me. on the plus side the shutdown is much faster. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012185801.58964939@dartworks.biz2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. As long as you know what the dependencies are and how to invoke it (is it a deamon, or not?). Yes you can figure all that out and write all files but it would take some time. the overlay saved me a lot of time. I can see now that the overlay is indeed being maintained. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. And syslog-ng, and others I forgot. These have already been done in the overlay. I used rsyslog, which contains its own service file (like most of the packages I use). Now I'm using only the journal. So after some experience with it, I see that booting is a little faster, but not much. But my xfce session startup seems to take longer now. That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? hm... It's also less clear how to manage this thing. The systemadm tool segfaults on me. That is a bug, and probably related to the slow boot. on the plus side the shutdown is much faster. If you give us more information, perhaps we can try to figure out the issues. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote: You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to explain things properly to old farts. Good for you. I really don't see the point in preaching systemd's greatness (or Lennart's). I'm not going to try it anyway. Also, I really don't see a point in booting fast (and I don't see anything wrong with openrc). So why do you feel the need to preach? Just curious... Best regards Peter K
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pk wrote: On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote: You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to explain things properly to old farts. Good for you. I really don't see the point in preaching systemd's greatness (or Lennart's). I'm not going to try it anyway. Also, I really don't see a point in booting fast (and I don't see anything wrong with openrc). So why do you feel the need to preach? Just curious... Best regards Peter K I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: root@fireball / # uptime 18:09:00 up 48 days, 11:18, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.25, 0.30 root@fireball / # As long as the local power company gives me power, I'm running. My rig, fast as it might be, pulls significantly less power than my old rig that is only about a tenth as fast. So, faster rig, less power. I can handle that. As long as I can have good uptimes, I just don't see any need to convert to something I only use once every couple months. Now for someone who has to reboot a lot, sounds windowish doesn't it, then by all means convert to systemd or whatever suites your fancy. As always, what works for one doesn't suite the needs of another. That's why we use Gentoo. We get to use what suites us. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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On Saturday 10 November 2012 00:13:04 pk wrote: On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote: You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to explain things properly to old farts. Good for you. I really don't see the point in preaching systemd's greatness (or Lennart's). I'm not going to try it anyway. Also, I really don't see a point in booting fast (and I don't see anything wrong with openrc). So why do you feel the need to preach? Just curious... systemd is not just about booting fast. If booting fast is the only thing you can have in systemd, then systemd is nothing. what systemd give you: easier maintainance ! what openrc give you: already maintained well by Gentoo self-less- ness guy. but if an update goes, the Gentoo Devs will be busy again. Again , you're not the one maintainning such shell script crap.It's the ebuild maintainer that does. __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
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Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. As 微蔡 said, fast boots is only one of the many advantages that systemd offers. It's probably the most user-visible, though. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. We have had some of those lately. I believe João Matos just did the switch some weeks ago, using KDE. I did it almost two years ago, around December 2010, using GNOME (then 2, now 3). I haven't heard any insurmountable problem when switching: if you are a regular desktop or simple server user, it probably will work without you needing to do anything special (except using init=/usr/bin/systemd in your kernel command line and maybe needing to reemerge a couple of packages with USE=systemd). If you use something more complicated (RAID, LVM, NFS, that kind of stuff), you probably will need to enable or perhaps change a couple of services, but that's it. If you use a not very common daemon, maybe you will need to write its service file; but it's ridiculous easy (specially when compared to sysvinit scripts). Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Re 20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Thanks for the advice! So now I'm motivated to go do it. :) -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
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Keith Dart wrote: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith I mentioned in my post that there are reasons some may want to use systemd. Here it is: Now for someone who has to reboot a lot, sounds windowish doesn't it, then by all means convert to systemd or whatever suites your fancy. As always, what works for one doesn't suite the needs of another. That's why we use Gentoo. We get to use what suites us. It sounds like systemd would benefit you since you have to reboot a lot. Thing is, lots of people don't reboot that often. Given you have a laptop, you likely reboot quite often and even a faster boot up would be nice so maybe you should give it a try. After all, when you are running off of a battery, every bit counts. I have seen quite a few posts where people have switched to it. It seems it has a bit of a curve to getting it working but once working, it works. Me, if I was going to switch, I'd use a second install or copy my current install to another partition, just in case I can't get around that curve. ;-) My point was that I don't see any reason to switch myself. While sort of agreeing with pk, I do see what some would want to switch and I have no problem with someone posting a success story. I have done so myself when I went to LVM. I'm sure there are others but that is one I remember pretty well. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 17:11:49 schrieb Keith Dart: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gma ne.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith suspend to ram is the answer. Faster than any boot. -- #163933
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On Saturday 10 November 2012 07:54:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 17:11:49 schrieb Keith Dart: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1@ger.g ma ne.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith suspend to ram is the answer. Faster than any boot. The you are happy to use a system take take a year to boot, then never shutdown. -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
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Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 15:17:26 schrieb 微蔡: On Saturday 10 November 2012 07:54:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 17:11:49 schrieb Keith Dart: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1@ger.g ma ne.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith suspend to ram is the answer. Faster than any boot. The you are happy to use a system take take a year to boot, then never shutdown. more like 6 seconds - and suspend-to-ram is like shutdown. -- #163933
