Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 16 February 2008 05:33:43 Wael Nasreddine wrote: Thank you for your detailed answer it helped a lot (Why was it necessary to quote the whole of it again?) please take a look at the file attached... and if you have any more suggestions please do tell me. Just a tiny point: you

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-16 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Peter Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 10:35:18AM +: On Saturday 16 February 2008 05:33:43 Wael Nasreddine wrote: Thank you for your detailed answer it helped a lot (Why was it necessary to quote the whole of it again?) please take

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-16 Thread Florian Philipp
On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 06:33 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: it's done, thanks, BTW what's your home partition FS? your choice is ext3 or reiserFS?? I use reiserfs3.6 without notail but that doesn't mean that it would be a good choice for you. I'm on laptop and disk space efficiency

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-16 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 06:22:13PM +0100: On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 06:33 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: it's done, thanks, BTW what's your home partition FS? your choice is ext3 or reiserFS?? I use reiserfs3.6

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Florian Philipp
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 14:36 +0100, Strong Cypher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm looking for an alternative to ext2/3. I have put reiser3/4 out because of project seems to be off now ... or not really active I really want an active project. Is they a

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:36:25 +0100, Strong Cypher wrote: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... You could use a file, like this, then put ext2 on it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: Is they a good fs that is extremly adapted to gentoo system (portage ...) Huh. Why should somebody write a filesystem with Gentoo portage in mind? Is they fs that support gzip like reiser4 do ? See

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Aaron Clark
Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs, jfs, ... Of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Dale
Aaron Clark wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs,

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Aaron Clark
Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all.

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Strong Cypher
Ok guy thanks for answer ... For my use, mix of ext2/ext3 in partition (lvm) and sparse file could speed up my system ... I think it could not at the same point of reiser4 but support in case of crash could really be better ... Thanks for answer It's not easy to create filesystem that's is

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Dale
Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Friday 15 February 2008, Aaron Clark wrote: xfs: high performance, especially when dealing with many large or small files; Gets along very well with raid arrays. Noticeably higher cpu usage than ext3/jfs. IIRC, it aggressively caches its writes so there is a slight possibility of data

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 February 2008, Strong Cypher wrote: Ok guy thanks for answer ... For my use, mix of ext2/ext3 in partition (lvm) and sparse file could speed up my system ... I think it could not at the same point of reiser4 but support in case of crash could really be better ... Assuming you

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Vaeth
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: Second, no journalled filesystem in the whole wide world can prevent occurences of inconsisteny in case of a power cut. None, try as they might. This is correct. If the journal change still resides in the harddrive cache while your power cut occurs,

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Alois Hammer
Suggestion: put your Portage and database trees on flash storage. I'd go with one of two routes: a fast USB stick or a quality CompactFlash card. At the moment, the one place I know of to get a quality CF card is NewEgg: they're selling a couple of 266x CF4-compliant cards, Transcend-branded.

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Florian Philipp
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 21:05 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000) and movies...

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Jerry McBride
On Friday 15 February 2008 03:05:13 pm Wael Nasreddine wrote: Hey guys, Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000)

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 09:17:11AM -0600: Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Neil Walker
Alois Hammer wrote: Suggestion: put your Portage and database trees on flash storage. There is no way I would do that or recommend it to anyone. Those devices have a very, very short life if written to frequently. Portage isn't a big problem because an emerge --sync will restore it - but

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:24:55PM +0100: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 21:05 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /,

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Florian Philipp
On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 00:32 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when reading data and data in usr is usually written once, updated every few months and read many times a week (on

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Alois Hammer
Wear leveling. Second UFD for occasional backup. Am I missing something, or does Portage only *write* to the database when you're [em,un]merging? If so, I don't see that there's much to worry about, even if you *are* running pure ~x86, and using overlays, like I am. The only real drawback I

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Don Jerman
I personally prefer JFS to XFS and have used it for years on my servers and laptop with no problem other than hardware errors (and if the hardware fails the fs will not help you). I had system board problems in the laptop and a bad RAID controller in the server this last year :(. Other than that

Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more

2008-02-15 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 01:50:04AM +0100: On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 00:32 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when