Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> If there were some kind of trade-off I'd see the argument, but the >>> worst case here is just that they may or may not need it. For >>> something with some benefit and almost no

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> If there were some kind of trade-off I'd see the argument, but the >> worst case here is just that they may or may not need it. For >> something with some benefit and almost no drawback that seems like

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Dale wrote: >> The problem is, if the hard drives fills up, most won't know that they >> can use LVM to expand it by adding a new drive. Since they don't know >> what LVM is, they don't know about the option they have

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Dale wrote: > > The problem is, if the hard drives fills up, most won't know that they > can use LVM to expand it by adding a new drive. Since they don't know > what LVM is, they don't know about the option they have and won't use it >

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> But I'm not talking about it for users like you and I. >> I've said over and over in this thread about regular users and you seem >> to be missing that part; it's the entirety of everything

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:14:54AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > On 30/08/2017 13:25, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:49:58AM -0700, Rich Freeman wrote > >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Another example is LVM.

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we >> have ZFS) but the average user has no concept of what it might be, or >> care. So why do Ubuntu installers shove it

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > But I'm not talking about it for users like you and I. > I've said over and over in this thread about regular users and you seem > to be missing that part; it's the entirety of everything I'm saying > here. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2017 13:25, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:49:58AM -0700, Rich Freeman wrote >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon >> wrote: >>> >>> Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we >>> have ZFS) but the

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 29/08/2017 18:49, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> >> Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we >> have ZFS) but the average user has no concept of what it might be, or >> care. So why do

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:49:58AM -0700, Rich Freeman wrote > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > > > Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we > > have ZFS) but the average user has no concept of what it might be,

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 14:56:34 BST J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On 29 August 2017 14:52:45 GMT+02:00, Stroller > wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? >>> >>> I was surprised to find the clock wrong when I

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we > have ZFS) but the average user has no concept of what it might be, or > care. So why do Ubuntu installers shove it in your face as something

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 29/08/2017 15:57, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> >> ntp is designed for timeservers that by design do not make the clock >> jump around. Every second on the wall clock actually happens, none are >> missing. To do that,

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 14:56:34 BST J. Roeleveld wrote: > On 29 August 2017 14:52:45 GMT+02:00, Stroller wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? > > > >I was surprised to find the clock wrong when I logged into one of my > >systems

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stroller wrote: > >> On 29 Aug 2017, at 14:19, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Stroller >> wrote: >>> >>> Any recommendations for a simple NTP client?

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > ntp is designed for timeservers that by design do not make the clock > jump around. Every second on the wall clock actually happens, none are > missing. To do that, ntp adjusts the length of a second till the >

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 29 August 2017 14:52:45 GMT+02:00, Stroller wrote: >Hello, > >Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? > >I was surprised to find the clock wrong when I logged into one of my >systems today. > >On another system I have net-misc/ntp installed. On it I have:

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Stroller
> On 29 Aug 2017, at 14:19, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Stroller > wrote: >> >> Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? >> > > systemd-timedated? > > /me ducks... Sounds good, actually. Will try to

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 29/08/2017 14:52, Stroller wrote: > Hello, > > Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? you asking for the simplest? ntpdate in a cron ntpdate in anacron (for latops and machines that are frequently off) ntp is designed for timeservers that by design do not make the clock jump around.

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Stroller wrote: > > Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? > systemd-timedated? /me ducks... -- Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-29 Thread Ralph Seichter
On 29.08.2017 14:52, Stroller wrote: > Any recommendations for a simple NTP client? Anything you dislike about net-misc/ntp, which you apparently use on that other system of yours? It comes with both ntpd and ntp-client, and the performance impact is minimal. > I *think* this is because