[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Hayes
It is my understanding that Normative Jurisprudence Law, such as treaties and conventions, is an exercise in political philosophy. As a layperson, I am very concerned with any political philosophy which calls for a non emergency response to an emergency situation. 1) The Esppo Convention model

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Wil Burns
Unfortunately, I think accepting that emissions reductions won't happen makes this a self-fulfilling prophecy. The agreements at Copenhagen and Cancun, at least in the maximum implementation scenarios, get us to about 70% of what we need to avoid the 2C guardrail; that's dramatically better than wh

Re: [geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Andrew Lockley
I'm much more Gung Ho. We need to stop pretending that emissions reductions will happen, in particular of co2. We need to prepare for a high co2 world. As mike rightly points out in item 5, we need to be controlling methane excursions (also equivalent to point 2) . However, natural emissions incre

Re: [geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Mike MacCracken
Dear Wil--With regard to how to get the train going, which I agree is essential, as indicated in papers I have done in past couple of years (for general sense of idea and reference to papers, see http://www.climate.org/topics/climate-change/maccracken-proposal-north-south -framework.html), I think

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Hayes
Thank you for the response. As to 1); The principal aspects of SRM, in that they are both technologically simple and cheap, makes the assumption of "failure" seem unrealistic. The brakes system in my car is simple and cheap and so I maintain it so as to not kill myself and others. If a deployed

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Wil Burns
Hi Mike, As usual, a thoughtful response on this issue. I quite agree with you; there may be a need for some level of SRM intervention in the future. As I argue in the article, my concern is that any potential deployment should be legally tied to step-wise redutions in emissions to ameliorate any

Re: [geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Michael and Wil--It is, of course, not one or the other. If the Earth's temperature is to be limited to less than some value (2 C per the Copenhagen Accord, and given what is happening at 0.8 C there is good reason to think the ceiling should be lower), no one strategy will do--we need all that

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-11 Thread Dr. Wil Burns
Hi Michael, Several responses here: 1. A future generation might have no choice in terminating an SRM approach should it technologically fail; this is certainly not beyond the pale. For example, various climatic feedback processes might ultimately denude the effectiveness of cloud brightening or

[geo] Re: Fighting ocean acidification the fish tank way - environment - 10 May 2011 - New Scientist

2011-05-11 Thread Ken Caldeira
Tom Goreau is certainly correct that the scale of any whole ocean mitigation through this approach would require a huge effort -- an effort that is similar in scale to that of the global energy system. Nevertheless, it might make sense in a possibly futile attempt to protect some isolated reefs in