Re: [geo] 1. Prospects for an Emergency Drawdown of CO2

2013-01-28 Thread Dr. Adrian Tuck
With regard to the sequestration of excess carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere and halocline, I'd like to see an entropy analysis of such a procedure. The entropically entailed energy cost of removing the present burden at a dilution 400 ppmv is very likely to be so large that a thermodynamic

[geo] RECOMMENDED Cirrus Cloud Seeding has Potential to Cool climate - Storelvmo - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

2013-01-28 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50122/abstract Keywords: climate;geoengineering;aerosols;cirrus Abstract [1] Cirrus clouds, thin ice clouds in the upper troposphere, have a net warming effect on Earth's climate. Consequently, a reduction in cirrus cloud amount or optical

[geo] Why Greenland’s melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Oliver Tickell
http://grist.org/climate-energy/why-greenlands-melting-could-be-the-biggest-climate-disaster-of-all/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this

[geo] Re: Why Greenland’s melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread David Lewis
Richard Alley discussed the potential Greenland and Antarctic contribution to sea level rise in a talk at Stanford in late October 2012 which is available on Youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=o4oMsfa_30Qnoredirect=1 On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:45:00 AM UTC-8,

Re: [geo] Re: Why Greenland’s melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Andrew Revkin
There's also fresh input from Richard A. (and Waleed Abdalati) on Greenland and sea level in this new dot earth post: Eyes Turn to Antarctica as Study Shows Greenland's Ice Has Endured Warmer Climates http://nyti.ms/Yq7uhA I turned to Richard

[geo] Stern more stern

2013-01-28 Thread Rau, Greg
There is a lot of money to be made in building the technologies and bending the arc of climate change. - Stern True, if there are policies and incentives in place to build those markets and compete with BAU. - Greg Nicholas Stern: 'I got it wrong on climate change – it's far, far worse' ·

Re: [geo] Re: Why Greenland’s melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Andrew Lockley
I try to avoid weighing in on subjects I don't know anything about, but doesn't the below ignore albedo? If it's snowy in Greenland, the effect of rising temperatures will be more limited than if there's less snow. Do we have any Albedo proxies? Do ice cores show flake size? A On Jan 28, 2013

Re: [geo] Re: Why Greenland's melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Andrew Revkin
A sideshow to sea-level questions on policy-relevant time scales. (2100-ish at best).. You're talking geological scale here. Tad Pfeffer's 2008 analysis of worst-case discharge rate still a keystone to clear thinking on this. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Homer-Dixon

Re: [geo] 1. Prospects for an Emergency Drawdown of CO2

2013-01-28 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Adrian--Interesting question, but does not the domain of the entropy analysis matter? Basically, one is going to be using materials to channel solar energy (via wind power and growth of algae) into concentrated form, that one then stores. So, letting solar energy just cause heating and then

Re: [geo] Re: Why Greenland¹s melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Andy‹I would just note that I am concerned that there may have been too much focus on temperature and not enough on the fluxes of energy determining the energy balance of the ice sheet; air to ice heat transfer is likely a pretty small term. So, during the Eemian, there was a lot more summer

[geo] Arctic sea ice and methane

2013-01-28 Thread Rau, Greg
Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean: Role of shielding and consumption of methane * Xin Hehttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231012009934ahttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231012009934#aff1,

Re: [geo] Re: Why Greenland's melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Andy‹Your agreement with the dismissive statement on Greenland seems terribly short-sighted. Over the coming decade (if not already), we¹ll be setting a course for Greenland that will lead to much higher sea level in the future (and the contributions from Greenland and Antarctica will end up

RE: [geo] Re: Why Greenland's melting could be the biggest climate disaster of all

2013-01-28 Thread Thomas Homer-Dixon
Three quick points. First, Andy (if I may), I was responding to the following remark you made in your NYT blog after Richard Alley's comment on the Dahl-Jensen article: I do think [the new work] closes the case that Greenland, despite all of its drama (moulins, for example) - drama that