Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Govindasamy Bala
Dear Stephen, Here too, the attribution would be a big challenge. In this case the challenge would be because of the presence of large internal variability in the climate system, particularly on regional scales. Bala On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 10:40 PM Stephen Salter wrote: > Dear Bala > > . . . .

Re: [geo] Re: SRM offset standards?

2020-05-03 Thread Russell Seitz
Many thanks for the link .However, while the paper is convincing in term of theoretical orbital mechanics, I can't find any treatment of using solar sail attitude alone to manage torque and acceleration issues, for as the authors state, it "does not address practicality issues such as the d

RE: [geo] Re: SRM offset standards?

2020-05-03 Thread Douglas MacMartin
See https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0136648 This is straightforward to calculate, and wouldn’t be any more difficult to find than L1. (That is, solar pressure is well known, so is gravity.) From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Russell Seitz Sent

Re: [geo] Re: SRM offset standards?

2020-05-03 Thread Russell Seitz
" you just need to displace yourself sunward until the forces balance…" How far sunward do you calculate that to be, and howfar from Lagrange 1 : It'cold out there , and there's no valet parking. On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:36:24 AM UTC-4, Douglas MacMartin wrote: > > You don’t need a counter

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
What is the margin of error? On Sun, 3 May 2020, 15:55 Govindasamy Bala, wrote: > Andrew, > > In the case of CDR like DAC, one can immediately know much carbon is > extracted and pricing is easy. In the case of carbon stocks increase due > to SRM, attribution of the stock increase to SRM would

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Stephen Salter
Dear Bala  . . . .  However countries facing expensive damage from hurricanes and typhoons could measure surface temperatures  in surrounding seas and pay to have them reduced to more acceptable values.  I understand the 26.5 C is nice. Rough calculations appear to give extremely attractive re

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Govindasamy Bala
Andrew, In the case of CDR like DAC, one can immediately know much carbon is extracted and pricing is easy. In the case of carbon stocks increase due to SRM, attribution of the stock increase to SRM would be almost an impossible task in the real world. Bala On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:07 PM Andre

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Govindasamy Bala
Renaud, You are not wrong. The SRM world has two forcings; one from increased CO2 and the other from sunlight reduction. The sunlight reduction alone offsets the warming from CO2 and causes a slight reduction in NPP. However, the CO2-fertilization effect (and the associated very large (??) increa

RE: [geo] Re: SRM offset standards?

2020-05-03 Thread Douglas MacMartin
You don’t need a countervailing force, you just need to displace yourself sunward until the forces balance… (though how far depends on areal mass density, and displacing too far sunward will require greater area to shade the Earth if I recall right). But even if the propellant requirement is ze

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Renaud de RICHTER
Yes indeed, but the model used maybe (I hope) took already this factor in consideration, did it? Le dim. 3 mai 2020 à 12:46, Andrew Lockley a écrit : > If I understand correctly, SRM reduces decomposition more than NPP - > presumably because cooler, drier soils are less biologically active. > >

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
If I understand correctly, SRM reduces decomposition more than NPP - presumably because cooler, drier soils are less biologically active. Andrew On Sun, 3 May 2020, 11:41 Renaud de RICHTER, wrote: > Dear Andrew and Bala, > > > All your discussion you had during this post is very difficult to >

Re: [geo] A Model‐Based Investigation of Terrestrial Plant Carbon Uptake Response to Four Radiation Modification Approaches - Duan - 2020 - Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres - Wiley Online

2020-05-03 Thread Renaud de RICHTER
Dear Andrew and Bala, All your discussion you had during this post is very difficult to understand. Bala and the other authors of the article cited in the subject found with their model that a 2 X CO2 by the end of century will enhance gross primary production (GPP) and net primary production (

[geo] Re: SRM offset standards?

2020-05-03 Thread Russell Seitz
If 0.25 m2 per tonne CO2 is correct as presumed , ~ 10 billion m2, or 10,000 km2 of relector area would be required At 1 micron thickness that translates into 1 cubic meter per km2. assuming for example' sake a film with a density of 1, 5 , like graphene strengthened aluminized one