Re: [geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-14 Thread Lou Grinzo
Just to be clear about where I stand on this, because there's been some misinterpretation in private e-mail: In my prior comment I was predicting what we will do, not what I would prefer to see happen. I think it would be an immense and hideously costly mistake, in the long run, to avoid

[geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-12 Thread Bill Stahl
* Re: Fred's point: 1 $M is a lot when the debate is confined to a relatively small world of researchers and advocates, but tiny once the idea goes 'viral' in society at large. Think what a single insurance conglomerate might spend to head off claims from sea-level rise! Environmental

Re: [geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-12 Thread Gregory Benford
On Clive Hamilton's concern about a slippery slope: He seems fearful of so much, especially regional tests of GE methods. Indeed as Bill says, the Arctic is the prime place to try it, nearly ideal: few people, short 4 month trial in summer of SRM, low cost (~$200 million or less), easily

[geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Hayes
In Andrew's opening post, the “The International Governance of Climate Engineering”, held by The Institute for European Studies in Brussels on June 28, shows that it made material reference to an *ETC

Re: [geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-11 Thread Fred Zimmerman
If a single advocacy group with $1M can derail an idea, it's probably not worth doing. If large-scale GE occurs, it will be because of a consensus backed by multiple governments, international organizations, and, yes, environmental advocacy groups. At this point it's better to just do the research

Re: [geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-11 Thread Lou Grinzo
With all due and considerable respect to the people in this discussion, I think the motivating power of desperation is being grossly underestimated. Assume that we follow (what I think is overwhelmingly the most likely path) the business as usual, as long as possible scenario, essentially what

[geo] Re: The governonsense of climate engineering

2013-07-10 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, If the need for a formalized and science backed GE advocacy is left un-answered much longer, it may simply take GE off the table completely. ETC pulls in over $1M of donations per year on this one issue and its staff of journalist are well aware of the value in selling hype to those