Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-07 Thread Adam Dorr
Post-scarcity is unintuitive, and it can be a challenge to fully unpack all of the assumptions we normally make about production. Just to clarify the confusion about cost, let me reiterate that I am using the term in the *economic *sense. A commodity that is *economically *costless is something

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-07 Thread Michael Trachtenberg
While I agree with your projection please note nothing is costless. A major reason chip labor is used is that it is still cheaper than AI/robotics. As that changes, for better or worse, unemployment follows. Cost less NOT costless. Michael Trachtenberg, PhD Visiting Scientist Department of

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-07 Thread Andrew Lockley
To counter : Here's just one example from just this week in which the application of computing power has yielded a leap forward in energy processes that may readily be applied to CDR https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160901211410.htm On 7 Sep 2016 01:47, "Michael Trachtenberg"

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-07 Thread Michael Trachtenberg
HI Adam, The majority of physical chemical processes while controlled will not be accelerated greatly beyond known maxima simply by applying computing capabilities. Mike Michael Trachtenberg, PhD Visiting Scientist Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology Rutgers University New

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-06 Thread Adam Dorr
The connection is that economic cost is the CDR feasibility bottleneck. And barring other physical limits, labor is the factor of production that makes CDR (and everything else) expensive. *Machine *labor obviates this feasibility bottleneck. Choose any product or service, trace its supply chain

RE: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-06 Thread Douglas MacMartin
I’m sorry, but I fail to see the connection between improvements in information technology (e.g. self-driving cars), which are solvable by virtue of faster computation and better algorithms, and CDR, which is limited by energetics and real physical and chemical processes while dealing with a

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-06 Thread Adam Dorr
As I explain in detail in the papers I attached and in my other recent work, there are two problems with this reasoning. The first hinges is how we define prudence. *Ignoring *a possibility until evidence guarantees that the outcome is certain is, I argue, not at all prudent. And the second is

RE: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-06 Thread Bernard Mercer
I agree Adam. I’m currently doing some synthesis on aspects of the potential implications of disruptive / exponential technologies (e.g. in relation to ecosystems and clean energy) and while some topics (e.g. electric cars, Blockchain) are now media-visible, others are not. I think that a key

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-05 Thread Greg Rau
Certainly adding CO2 to the ocean has been throughly discussed, but curiously not the safer, more secure and I think cheaper ways of first converting the CO2 to other stable forms like bicarbonates, carbonates, and recalcitrant organics prior to ocean storage. No need to expensively make and

Re: [geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-04 Thread Greg Rau
Thanks Bernard.  Am all for restoring ecosystems to their former grandeur (e.g., REDD+), but even if this could be perfectly and globally done 1) how much would this change the growth and residence time of CO2 in air with an extra 40GT/yr being emitted by humans and 2) where would 7.4x10^9

[geo] Scientists Focused on Geoengineering Challenge the Inevitability of Multi-Millennial Global Warming

2016-09-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
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