Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-08 Thread Mike MacCracken
gt; desire pre-industrial climates. That may not be the case. >>>> >>>> -Jesse >>>> >>>> - >>>> Jesse L. Reynolds, PhD >>>> Postdoctoral researcher >>>> Research fu

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-08 Thread Nathan Currier
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Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-02 Thread Ken Caldeira
w >> >> Tilburg Sustainability Center >> >> Tilburg University, The Netherlands >> >> Book review editor, *Law, Innovation, and Technology* >> >> email: j.l.reyno...@uvt.nl >> >> http://works.bepress.com/jessreyn/ >> >> >

RE: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
* geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto: > geoengineering@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Caldeira > *Sent:* 31 January 2015 18:32 > *To:* cushngo...@gmail.com > *Cc:* Motoko; geoengineering > *Subject:* Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed > > > > Kate Ricke's model r

RE: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-02 Thread J.L. Reynolds
s.com/jessreyn/ From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Caldeira Sent: 31 January 2015 18:32 To: cushngo...@gmail.com Cc: Motoko; geoengineering Subject: Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed Kate Ricke's model results are often trotted out to suppor

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-02-01 Thread olivermorton
You are completely right, Jim - there was no such declaration. Anyone interested in revisiting the reasons for this absence can subject themselves to some of the debate here http://www.ce-conference.org/media/214 On Saturday, 31 January 2015 19:33:28 UTC, James Fleming wrote: > > There was no ap

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-31 Thread Jim Fleming
There was no approval for a "*Berlin Declaration 2014 on geoengineering." * I was at the meeting and the session. Correct me if I am wrong. James R. Fleming On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Cush Ngonzo Luwesi wrote: > I partly agree with Andy: Skepticism yes but realism is also needed. > A

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-31 Thread Cush Ngonzo Luwesi
I partly agree with Andy: Skepticism yes but realism is also needed. Alvin Toffler (1970) predicted the "future shock" that "change denial" will cause in the anthropocene. He used an analogy from the transmission of sound through electrical cables, which until 1875, was unconceivable by some while

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-31 Thread Nathan Currier
Hi, I also disagreed with the premise of this op ed, but for quite different reasons: I have not been able to understand how someone like David Keith has been able to get fixated on such a notion as this bit about "Who will control the thermostat?" of geoengineering, which he has discussed for

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-31 Thread Motoko
Great reference. I want to add the following sentence of von Neumann: "All experience shows that even smaller technological changes than those now in the cards profoundly transform political and social relationships." Von Neumann could be right in assuming that climate control will change a lo

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Fred Zimmerman
Well, yes, but despite the Cold War era fears, nuclear war has not yet happened in 70 years, not just because of Andrew's "common interest" argument, but because politicians and military men apparently reached the conclusion that nuclear bombs were an ineffective way of coercing other nations to do

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Jim Fleming
See my book Fixing the Sky (2010), chapter 7. Jim James R. Fleming Professor of Science, Technology, and Society, Colby College Research Associate, Columbia University Series Editor, Palgrave Studies in the History of Science and Technology, bit.ly/THQMcd Profile: http://www.colby.edu/directory/p

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Jim Fleming
As argued in 1955: "Present awful possibilities of nuclear warfare may give way to others even more awful. After global climate control becomes possible, perhaps all our present involvements will seem simple. We should not deceive ourselves: once such possibilities become actual, they will be e

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Olaf Corry
I agree with the basic idea that the politics of this will be likely to be very tricky (although - and partly for that reason - I remain unconvinced by the other premise of the article that SPI has been overwhelmingly shown to have net life-saving potential). Andrew, why the incredulity at a

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Stephen Salter
Hi All Andy Parker's concerns about international disputes over geoengineering might be reduced if only there was a technique which allowed a greater degree of local control and the chance of tactical adjustments based on day-to-day observations. It is the prospect of being stuck with an unw

Re: [geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Andrew Lockley
I disagree fundamentally with the premise of this article. A decision on climate has to be made. Everyone knows it. Everyone has an incentive to avoid chaos. Therefore, people have a very large incentive to stick to a consensus process, because anyone who doesn't stick will instantly break that co

[geo] Washington Post op ed

2015-01-30 Thread Andy Parker
Hey folks, the Washington Post just published an op ed on the messy politics of solar geoengineering, written by David Keith and me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-the-right-temperature-for-the-earth/2015/01/29/b2dda53a-7c05-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html -- You received this m