[geo] Re: How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread M V Bhaskar
I would allocate it to a Ocean Fertilization type of project but in the Chesapeake Bay. For $ 10 Million we can clean up the bay of excess nutrients and increase the Dissolved Oxygen level for 1 to 2 months. This will prove the impact of our fertilization process will have in Oceans. The

Re: [geo] How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread John Gorman
The possibility of very serious problems (methane/ sea ice/ clathrates/ permafrost etc) in and around the Arctic in the next few years (5 or 10) may be low (5%, 10%, ? ) but I don't think anyone can suggest that the possibility is zero. I would therefore spend the ten million dollars on

RE: [geo] How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread Eugene I. Gordon
Thank you Holly Jean Buck*. You apparently totally miss the point; morality is not the current issue in geoengineering nor should it be. I am a simple scientist trying to help people who are interested in doing RD in Geoengineering to have a formal vehicle for exchanging technical information,

RE: [geo] How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread Eugene I. Gordon
Prof. Fleming believes the social implications of geoengineering pose a great risk and we must first understand the social dimensions of actual deployment. Thank God the US did not waste time on such moralizing before starting the Manhattan Project. If we had, we would have lost an estimated

[geo] Re: How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread Josh Horton
I agree, this would be a grave mistake. There would be no surer way of firing up international political opposition to geoengineering, mobilizing civil society, encouraging suspicion and hostility, even dragging in ENMOD. Imagine how China would react! Whether or not the military has the

Re: [geo] On what research I would suggest

2011-04-19 Thread Glyn Roberts
Gene: You say the paleoclimate record tells us that the Earth will flip into a warm state - increasing its average temperature by almost 10 degrees C from current values? - without GHGs no less! Please connect the dots for me/us on how you arrived at this bold interpretation of the data. Dr.

RE: [geo] Re: How would you allocate US$10 million per year to most reduce climate risk?

2011-04-19 Thread Lane, Lee O.
I too, worry about the factors that you and Oliver cite, but the choice seems more ambiguous than you make it sound. DARPA is at least competent. I am not sure that the same can be said of any of the climate related civilian RD entities. Many of course have able people, but the congressional

Re: [geo] On what research I would suggest

2011-04-19 Thread Glyn Roberts
Gene: Wow!  It seems you -- sorry, I mean Dr. Scotese, has a very dark vision of the future. You say: This is Scotese’s data and his interpretation. I hope you're not putting words in Dr Scotese mouth.  Could you please point out where he claims the current warming trend is due to plate

[geo] New SRM risk/cost analysis

2011-04-19 Thread Rau, Greg
http://climateprogress.org/2011/04/17/aerosol-geoengineering-economics/ Science Sunday: “The economics (or lack thereof) of aerosol geoengineering” Is the aerosol strategy intergenerationally unethical? April 17, 2011 Joe Romm The Gist: Putting reflective aerosols high into the atmosphere to

[geo] Re: New SRM risk/cost analysis

2011-04-19 Thread Dan Whaley
Seems to rehash so many of the canards, and to recommit so many of the obvious fallacies sigh... are we condemned to a perpetual groundhog day where even the Joe Romm's out there never pick up on the main points? 0. We've got 700ppm baked in right now. So, mitigate, mitigate, mitigate

Re: [geo] Re: New SRM risk/cost analysis

2011-04-19 Thread Ken Caldeira
About a year and a half ago, I sent the authors of the paper under discussion the following comments: *fromKen Caldeira kcalde...@carnegie.stanford.edu* *tomg...@geosc.psu.edu* *ccklaus keller kkel...@geosc.psu.edu,* * Nancy Tuana

Re: [geo] Re: New SRM risk/cost analysis

2011-04-19 Thread Michael Hayes
I was typing my response to the offered paper when Dr. Caldeira's post came through. Exactly! And politely put! Even a layperson, such as myself, can see this paper as disturbingly myopic with a profound lack of common sense. If a study incorporates a key phase such as our analysis considers only