In article e1xoftx-0007ua...@bombadil.infradead.org, Dave Liquorice
allso...@howhill.com wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:52:46 + (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote:
cough syrup :-) I know from measurement and from discussions with
some involved that for the Proms on BBC4TV they use the R3 feed
On 10/11/14 17:36, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:54 +, Square Penguin wrote:
Quick question - how do you deal with CC's in your inbox and duplicate
messages in mailing list folders (assuming you filter to
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:52:46 + (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote:
cough False assumption that there is only one mix leaving site... or
even that the same mics are being used across the different services.
Particulary for broadcasts on BBC1/2, not so sure what happens for BBC4.
cough syrup :-) I
In article e1xnuqp-ho...@bombadil.infradead.org, Dave Liquorice
allso...@howhill.com wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 17:41:05 + (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote:
IMO any significant difference in sound is going to be down to
relative codec efficiency, not due to huge differences in the TX
chain.
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:54 +, Square Penguin wrote:
If you're using Thunderbird on Mac as I am now this is not the case by
default. Thunderbird offers 'reply' and 'smart reply' which attempts to
intelligently select the behaviour you desire.
It's default smart reply is reply to list,
On 10/11/14 11:23, David Woodhouse wrote:
It's default smart reply is reply to list, and there is seemingly no
option to change that.
I don't quite know if there's such a thing as a 'smart reply' but when i
click the Reply button in Thunderbird, up comes David Woodhouse (who
sent this) as
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:34:33 +
Charles Johnson cehjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/11/14 11:23, David Woodhouse wrote:
It's default smart reply is reply to list, and there is seemingly
no option to change that.
I don't quite know if there's such a thing as a 'smart reply' but
when i
On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 14:34 +, Charles Johnson wrote:
On 10/11/14 11:23, David Woodhouse wrote:
It's default smart reply is reply to list, and there is seemingly no
option to change that.
I don't quite know if there's such a thing as a 'smart reply' but when i
click the Reply button
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:23:08 +
David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
As noted in my reply-to-list.html page, Evolution does the opposite.
Its Group Reply is reply-to-all by default, and it'll even *warn*
you if you hit the private 'reply' button and it looks like it's
going to be
On 8 November 2014 13:32:51 Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply, AGAIN.
I simply cannot get my brain to accept how this list works. I'm on half a
dozen other mailing lists all of which work the other way round ie. replies
I
Thanks, I'll look at the above. One of the things I'm curious about
is the relative performance (in terms of quality, etc) of ffmpeg
versus avcodec. I come to this from being a long term user of
ffmpeg, but knowing nothing about the forking or its effects. Given
my past I tend to
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 17:41:05 + (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote:
IMO any significant difference in sound is going to be down to relative
codec efficiency, not due to huge differences in the TX chain. iPlayer
desktop uses AAC-LC, DSAT is MP2 and AAC for HD, DTT the same albeit at
lower bit rates.
David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:54 +, Square Penguin wrote:
Quick question - how do you deal with CC's in your inbox and duplicate
messages in mailing list folders (assuming you filter to folders)?
Simply ignore the duplicates or do you have a
This probably explains why I only get one copy even when people reply to my
posts. My email provider (Aluminati) probably does the same filtering of two
copies in my inbox down to one. I didn't realise this is at all common.
--
Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net
Cambridge, UK
On 10 Nov 2014, at
In article 545ecc0f.5040...@jifvik.org, Jonathan Larmour
j...@jifvik.org wrote:
On 08/11/14 23:05, Peter S Kirk wrote:
Yes, David runs the list. However, he should respect the preferences
of list members who as you say almost no-one else on the list agrees
with him in principle.
I very
In article 1415481888.17370.89.ca...@infradead.org,
David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
As Owen says, this has been discussed before.
Your email client - every email client - has (at least) two options for
*how* to reply to an email.
First there's the private reply which goes only
Yes, David runs the list. However, he should respect the preferences of
list members who as you say almost no-one else on the list agrees with
him
in principle.
No. I have already explained why things are thw way they are, and the
problems we cause by doing things differently.
I am
On 08/11/14 23:54, Square Penguin wrote:
[snip]
If you're using Thunderbird on Mac as I am now this is not the case by
default. Thunderbird offers 'reply' and 'smart reply' which attempts to
intelligently select the behaviour you desire.
I too very much like the existing system and thank
What I'm hoping to do using get_iplayer is to be able to compare such
results with an analysis or decoding to LPCM of the flv by other means.
i.e. use ffmpeg or similar. I'm wondering if anyone else here has already
done this, or has comments that would help.
Hi
Are you asking for
Jim Lesurf j...@audiomisc.co.uk wrote:
One complication here I've already hit is that IIUC the xfce mint distro
I'm using doesn't provide ffmpeg but avcodec (?) I've installed a local
version of ffmpeg but am unsure of how avcodec may differ from this in
ways that may affect what I have in
On 08 Nov, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer
jn.ml.gti...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
Jim Lesurf j...@audiomisc.co.uk wrote:
One complication here I've already hit is that IIUC the xfce mint
distro I'm using doesn't provide ffmpeg but avcodec (?) I've installed
a local version of ffmpeg but
On 08 Nov, batguano999 batguano...@zoho.com wrote:
What I'm hoping to do using get_iplayer is to be able to compare such
results with an analysis or decoding to LPCM of the flv by other means.
i.e. use ffmpeg or similar. I'm wondering if anyone else here has
already done this, or has
On 2014/11/08 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
What I'm hoping to do using get_iplayer is to be able to compare such
results with an analysis or decoding to LPCM of the flv by other means.
i.e. use ffmpeg or similar. I'm wondering if anyone else here has already
done this, or has comments that would
Something possibly relevant avconv Used in Preference to ffmpeg Where
Available changed in 2.83; see notes at:
https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/release283
and also changes in 2.87 Important note re: obsolete FFmpeg versions:
(also for avconv) - see:
On 08 Nov, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
On 2014/11/08 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
but not avcodec. (Or have I got its name wrong? Afraid I've forgotten
if my memory was ever much better than nowdays. :-) )
The projects are ffmpeg and libav (a fork of ffmpeg). One of the
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply, AGAIN. I
simply cannot get my brain to accept how this list works. I'm on half a dozen
other mailing lists all of which work the other way round ie. replies go to the
list. Mutter.
--
Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply,
AGAIN. I simply cannot get my brain to accept how this list works. I'm
on half a dozen other mailing lists all of which work the other way
round ie. replies go to the list.
part of a couple of dozen lists, all but two or three set
the Reply To: back to the list.
--
Cheers
Dave.
-Original Message-
From: Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net
To: get_iplayer get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Sent: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:32
Subject: Re: iplayer audio to lpcm
Blasted
The person that runs this mailing list has VERY firm views about how they
should work. This is at odds with every other mailing I have ever been on,
which must be around 50 by now. He feels it should work the same way as a
direct email sent to multiple people, in that Reply goes just to the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 14:36:19 +
Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
The person that runs this mailing list has VERY firm views about how
they should work. This is at odds with every other mailing I have
ever been on, which must be around 50 by now. He feels it should work
the same way
I read most of my email on my iPad 3, I find it much more convenient than
firing up my Windows laptop. I can use the iPad wherever in the house I happen
to be. I doubt Apple are going to listen to my requests to change the email
software, and anyway I don't agree it does anything wrong. It
And when I Reply to All my own posting, it does go To: the list. So this is
partly down to how other people are sending to the list. I suspect if they CC'd
the list, then Reply to All also CC's the list, which is correct behaviour. So
why are people CCing a mailing list in the first place?
--
Just use reply all. If somebody doesn't like duplicates, they can go
to http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/options/get_iplayer and set
Avoid duplicate copies of messages? to yes.
Thanks for that, now set. Not an option I've seen before but then I'm not in
the habit of exploring mailman
On 08 Nov, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
Just use reply all. If somebody doesn't like duplicates, they can go to
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/options/get_iplayer and set Avoid
duplicate copies of messages? to yes.
I'll try that and see if it puts the *list* address in
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
The person that runs this mailing list has VERY firm views about how
they should work. This is at odds with every other mailing I have ever
been on, which must be around 50 by now. He feels it should work the
same way as a direct email sent to
On 08 Nov, Dave Liquorice allso...@howhill.com wrote:
Just use reply all. If somebody doesn't like duplicates, they can go
to http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/options/get_iplayer and set
Avoid duplicate copies of messages? to yes.
Thanks for that, now set.
Same here. I'll see what
On 08/11/2014 14:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply,
AGAIN. I simply cannot get my brain to accept how this list works. I'm
on half a dozen other mailing lists all of which work the other
On 08/11/14 17:14, Alan Milewczyk wrote:
so why duplicate a copy to an individual, as some seem to do on here?
I suppose in certain cases it might be seen as 'belt and braces'
behaviour (why not?)
___
get_iplayer mailing list
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 08:38:13PM +, Charles Johnson wrote:
On 08/11/14 17:14, Alan Milewczyk wrote:
so why duplicate a copy to an individual, as some seem to do on here?
I suppose in certain cases it might be seen as 'belt and braces'
behaviour (why not?)
Because it can cause replies to
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 14:10 +, Jim Lesurf wrote:
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply,
AGAIN. I simply cannot get my brain to accept how this list works. I'm
on half a dozen other mailing lists all of which
On 8 November 2014 21:24, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 14:10 +, Jim Lesurf wrote:
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply,
AGAIN. I simply cannot get my brain to accept how
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 10:01:46PM +, Colin Law wrote:
However the fact is that this is the way the administrator of the list
want it to work and since he/she donates his free time to maintaining
it we all have to be grateful for that and accept the way it works.
Indeed. David's list, his
On 8 Nov 2014 at 17:14, Alan Milewczyk Alan Milewczyk
a...@soulman1949.com wrote:
On 08/11/2014 14:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
On 08 Nov, Owen Smith owen.sm...@cantab.net wrote:
Blasted mailing list, I sent the message below as a personal reply,
AGAIN. I simply cannot get my brain to accept how
I had hoped by saying we'd discussed this before we could avoid all this rant.
Apparently not.
The facts as I see it are:
1) David has a VERY entrenched deeply held belief about this
2) almost no-one else on the list agrees with him in principle
3) notwithstanding 2), many agree David runs the
On 08/11/2014 21:24, David Woodhouse wrote:
Your email client — every email client — has (at least) two options for
*how* to reply to an email.
First there's the private reply which goes only to the sender of the
original email.
And then there's the public reply to all which goes to everyone
On 08/11/14 22:01, Colin Law wrote:
The flaw in this logic is that when I send a message to the list I am
not sending it to individuals, I am sending it to the list.
Not if you are replying to someone's message. Then you are replying to a
message sent by a person - that is who you are
On 08/11/14 23:05, Peter S Kirk wrote:
Yes, David runs the list. However, he should respect the preferences of
list members who as you say almost no-one else on the list agrees with him
in principle.
I very much agree in principle, and in practice.
David's reasoning is sound, and also
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