Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?

[michael norman]

On 25/04/2021 13:10, Jim web wrote:

The problem being unknown unknowns.
Jim


If only we knew a little about those.

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Re: YouTube with OBS

[michael norman]

On 26/10/2020 11:40, Chris Brady wrote:

An alternative to actual downloading it is possible to use the free
open-source OBS screen capture app. to  copy YouTube (and many other
clips) direct from the screen. I've used it for RTE programmes.because
RTE-Player doesn't appear to work in the UK. CJB

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I'll ask again, what does this gave to do with GIP ?


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Re: RIAA wipes youtube-dl from the internet

[michael norman]

On 25/10/2020 18:51, Peter S Kirk wrote:

The one thing I've not seen link to, other than El Reg, is the RIAA DMCA
takedown notice:

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-23-RIAA.md

They seem to have given up on torrent sites as TPB, Zooqle etc now
available on BT. Moved on to unfunded community projects. imo evil bstards

Let's hope it's another pointless whack a mole

"Depriving artists"? No, I might dl, but I'd never have paid if no dl

RIAA assumes all who dl for free would pay - false dichotemy

On 24 Oct 2020 at 20:14, VeniVidiVideo VeniVidiVideo
 wrote:


Thanks for the (sad) heads up and the wget solution.  I had to use an extra 
flag to get it:

wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl --no-check-certificate -O 
youtube-dl_latest

But that worked, and obtained the 2020.09.20 version.  Curiously it's quite a 
bit smaller than the 2020.09.06 version I had installed.  Keeping both until I 
know the version I just downloaded works well.

-vvv


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Roger Bell_West  wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 03:24:45PM +0100, Jim web wrote:

i.e. came from the openmandriva address.

Is that correct and as should be expected?

No idea, but it's identical to the version 2020.09.20 that I already had.



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What has any of this got to do with GIP ?  Surely it is OT ?


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Re: iPlayer Tags 'shortened' v.v 'original'

[michael norman]

On 19/09/2020 11:05, Jim web wrote:

In article
,
Chris Brady  wrote:


However bearing in mind the increasing left wing PC bias of the Beeb, so
many Brit classic comedy programmes have had the tag ' shortened' in the
metadata. This nonsense started in about 2019. Why?

You seem to be trying to get your 'answer' in before your question. :-)

Alternative could be that early iPlayer offerrings often started before the
programme and finished after it. Done by software and timer to allow for
time variations and avoid snipping off the start or end by mistake. If they
were kept as files, they'd now need trimming. Just an idea, though.

So, does anyone have a copy of the 'earlier' version? If so, they can find
out. I do have a few old cassettes but I'd have to dig them out. However I
think they'll have been on iPlayer before.

Jim

Please don't let a sensible approach get in the way of a childish 
conspiracy theory.



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Re: An OT thread about the forums

[michael norman]

On 15/04/2020 22:12, Andy Nudd wrote:


On 15/04/2020 08:41, Budge wrote:

On 12/04/2020 15:32, SquarePenguin wrote:

I guess this message is to guage how much people would care/not care if
I just closed the forums. I don't particularly mind figuring out a way
to close them but keep online for google searches etc. Nor do I mind if
some mods want to come in to keep the lights on for a while.

I made the forum in the first place so get_iplayer could reach a
different audience than found here. So maybe this isn't the best place
to ask :-) But figured you folks had had your hats in the ring for so
long your opinions/ideas should be heard.

Hi and thanks for the message.  As I understand it there are three 
resources:-


A web forum, which I seldom use.
This list, to which I subscribe and which has been a great help to me 
on many occasions.

The underlying maintenance of the software.

It is not clear from your message which of these resources is in 
question but only the continuing maintenance of the get_iplayer 
software is critical.  Will this maintenance be continued?


As for your initial question, my opinion is that I shall continue to 
subscribe to the email list while it exists.  I would not miss the 
forum. Losing get_iplayer would be a very great loss indeed.



Couldn't have summed it up better.

Never used the forum.

Mailing list has been a great help & source of information.

Losing gip would be indeed a very great loss.

+ 1 here.


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Re: Unsubscribed email - but I didnt unsubscribe

[michael norman]

On 15/03/2020 11:55, Mark Carroll wrote:

On 9693 Sep 1993, Kevin McCarthy wrote:


Has anyone received an email saying they unsubscribed from the get_iplayer
mailing list?

I received an email yesterday saying I unsubscribed but I didn't!
Has the list been hacked?

I'm still on it okay as I got your message. I didn't receive any strange
e-mails like that.


Nor me.



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Re: OT BBC Iplayer on firestick problems

[michael norman]

On 28/02/2020 17:16, Nic Siddle wrote:
May be totally unconnected, but we have found that i-Player is getting 
less and less reliable when just watching catchup TV through a cheap 
NowBox.. Buffering issues, often grinding to complete halt leading to 
need to re-start. We do not experience the same problems with ITV or 
Channels 4 & 5. I have my suspicion that the BBC is a lot more 
resource hungry and that our i-net connection struggles to cope. But I 
am guessing..


Nic

On 28/02/2020 06:42, Dave Widgery wrote:

Hi
For many years I have used get_iplayer very successfully for
downloading bbc content (thanks to all who maintain it) but a year ago
I got a firestick and thought that I would be able to use that rather
than downloading everything with get_iplayer, but I was wrong. ITV
hub, Channel4, UKtv and many other players all work fine with live and
replay content (with just the occasional error), but not bbc iplayer
75-80% of the time I get the purple worm then it errors, usually with
a "something went wrong loading this program", also if playing live tv
it has lots of buffering problems,  does anyone else experience this
sort of unreliability with iplayer.

I am using a proxy server but it is not showing any errors that might
be associated with that. I am not really asking for a fix, I was just
wondering if it was just me or is bbc iplayer just not very reliable?
or at least the firestick version.

Dave

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Could it be that Sky and Amazon don't keep a very well maintained verson 
of iPlayer on their devices ?  They being rivals of the BBC.



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Re: No Prime Minister?

[michael norman]

On 07/02/2020 10:02, Roger Bell_West wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 09:26:34AM +, Sharon Kimble wrote:

I have both complete series (Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister) which
I can make available if we can work out how to get them to you.

Given the heavy-handedness of many copyright enforcers, please don't
make such offers on a public list, or the owner may get hassled for
"facilitating piracy".

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I'm with the rights holders, why should people get this work for nothing 
?  Buy the dvds.



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Re:

[michael norman]

On 27/10/2019 08:41, CJB wrote:

Do not click on the link - its a virus. CJB


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Best not to resend it either.


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Re: Excessive Bounces

[michael norman]

On 28/07/2019 11:01, Mark Carroll wrote:

On 28 Jul 2019, Bernard Peek wrote:


I've used Gmail for years but I'm happy to use something else. My main
reason for choosing Gmail back then was its spam filtering. What
alternatives can match that today?

I would second the idea of putting gmx.com at least on the "to be
considered" list (and on other lists I've seen some godawful message
formatting from some ProtonMail users; maybe their webclient's default
settings suck?) but do bear in mind that you should expect an inverse
correlation between false negative rate and false positive rate in spam
filtering: If you want to see hardly any spam then you are also going to
be rejecting some valid mail, the very problem that switching from gmail
is trying to avoid in this case! We don't get to have our cake and eat
it.

Standards violations or similar daft decisions by big players are a
common issue in IT, whether in Internet activity or elsewhere: Indulge
them and work around them or tell them where to go to encourage better
behavior in the community overall? Each of the two camps is typically
well-populated and armed with good arguments. I figure that it is
entirely up to the generous get_iplayer list operator whether they opt
for principles or pragmatism in this case, I consider either defensible.

Personally my issue with gmail is mostly that people mailing me from
such addresses better understand that my responses to them are
necessarily limited to what I am happy for Google to archive and harvest
for their own purposes but I would argue that for public mailing list
traffic one ought not have to choose between convenience and privacy:
the latter's not a criterion.

-- Mark

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Despite using gmail I'm in the anti google camp on this, let the list 
continue to be run according to accepted standards, if google doesn't 
like it then it should conform to those standards, gmail users like me 
will just have to accept it as the price of using a crippled system even 
if it is "free".



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Re: New distro.

[michael norman]

On 19/06/2019 09:34, Jim Lesurf wrote:

I've just installed the current xfce mint long-term-support distro on my
main 'work' machine. Having transferred my own programs, data, etc, I find
that gip now doesn't work. This seems to be because at least some of the
relevant perl modules aren't installed by default. However I can't work out
which one(s) I need because the package names listed by synaptic I can't
relate to the specific items/locations gip lists as being awol.

The problem seems to be with "XML/libXML.pm"  - although it may well be
more than that. I can't tell as I know zip about perl.

Can someone please explain which packages I should install for gip to work
as usual?

Thanks,

Jim


Install the PPA from here


https://launchpad.net/~jon-hedgerows/+archive/ubuntu/get-iplayer

I've been doing that in Linux Mint for years.  It gets updated 
automatically by the Mint update manager when appropriate.



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Re: Steam radio...

[michael norman]

On 16/03/2019 12:42, Jim web wrote:

I've recently found an 'archive' page at

bbc.co.uk/archive/steamtrains/

which also links to old pages on each item it lists.

My usual way of fetching items is to hover the mouse over a player window
or link, or look at the programme's address to see the pid. Then give the
pid to gip. But these items don't seem to show any pid either way.

So am I missing something here, and how can I fetch the items I'd like from
these pages? I have some of the video examples from a later 'collections'
page, but am curious about the radio examples, etc. (Prompted by some Tv
programmes on 'Hornby' :-) )

Jim

Can't help much but I do recall a while ago that it worked here with 
some Blues music tv programmes, for reasons I can't remember I used the 
url directly.  As I said a while ago with an older version of gip, but 
the bbc site looks the same and the gip docs give the same instructions.


Over to people much more expert than me.


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Re: BBC iPlayer proposals: Public Interest Test consultation

[michael norman]

On 08/01/2019 10:05, Stuart Caie wrote:

FYI,

I think the people on this mailing list might have opinions about this.

The BBC would like to break free of some of the restrictions imposed 
on iPlayer, like the 30 day limit. Their regulator, Ofcom, says they 
need to consult the public.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/accountability/consultations/bbc-iplayer-public-interest 



[The BBC] think the results of this new offering for our licence fee 
payers might look like:


  * Longer initial period of availability for all programmes of at
    least 12 months
  * Complete series box sets for selected titles made up of new
    returning series and their previous series
  * More archive content

The BBC’s regulator, Ofcom, considers these proposals constitute a 
material change to the BBC’s UK Public Services. The BBC Board is 
therefore undertaking a Public Interest Test - an evidence-based 
process used to assess the public value of a change and its impact on 
competition. This consultation forms part of that process.


This consultation is open for six weeks from *Monday 7 January to 
Friday 15 February 2019*.



Personally I'm in favour of greater availability especially with older 
archived material.  Whether there is actually any more, I know the 
site has a certain amount, but if the BBC which in the past has been 
prone to wipe stuff, has any more then yes please for that.  Having 
said which I can now access pretty much anything I want, especially 
music on line, and also record tv to my standalone (Humax) PVR that 
the problem then becomes having the time to actually listeb or watch, 
and I say that as a retired person with plenty of time, but that's a 
personal thing.


My other concern would be whether the BBC has the resources to expand 
these activities, presumably they think that they do, aside from 
technical capacity there remains the perhaps more important political 
question relating to such expansion, ie opposition from commercial 
providers, which I suppose is where Ofcom comes in.


Obviously perhaps better discussed in response to the official 
consultation and maybe OT for this list.



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Re: Converting AAC to MP3 / FLAC

[michael norman]

http://soundconverter.org/

On 21/12/2018 12:53, CJB wrote:

Hi - someone kindly sent me a download in AAC format. How can I
convert it to MP3 or FLAC. Thanks - Chris B.

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Re: Compulsory podcasts - In Our Time

[michael norman]

On 18/11/2018 13:33, Roger Wilkins wrote:

On 18/11/2018 12:27, michael norman wrote:

On 18/11/2018 11:05, Roger Wilkins wrote:

Hello All. First time poster; long time lurker.

I notice that In Our Time is now a compulsory podcast, in the sense that
downloading the Thursday 9am broadcast in the usual way using the
programme ID yields a piece topped-and-tailed by the irritating podcast
marketing blahblah (especially at the end, which necessitates stabbing
at the stop button in unseemly fashion).

I prefer to hear the saintly Mr Bragg without all that, though the
podcast does have the advantage of sometimes including extra panel chat
at the end. I just pray that they don't adopt the 5Live habit (e.g. the
TMS podcast) of regularly interrupting the programme with "this is a
podcast from the BBC".

Does anyone know if there is a way round this - to get the original R4
feed? I suspect there isn't.

Thanks, Roger.

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Using CLI on Linux Mint

michael2@Bonds ~ $ get_iplayer --type=radio "In Our Time"
get_iplayer 3.17-ppa32, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use
--warranty.
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certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.



INFO: Indexing radio programmes (concurrent)
..
INFO: Added 530 radio programmes to cache
Matches:
37944:  In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees, BBC Radio 4, mt3y
37945:  In Our Time - Free Radicals, BBC Radio 4, mxqd
37946:  In Our Time - Marie Antoinette, BBC Radio 4, m000117y
37947:  In Our Time - Horace, BBC Radio 4, m00014jt
INFO: 4 matching programmes
michael2@Bonds ~ $ get_iplayer --type=radio --get 37944
get_iplayer 3.17-ppa32, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
   This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use
--warranty.
   This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under
certain
   conditions; use --conditions for details.


Matches:
37944:  In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees, BBC Radio 4, mt3y
INFO: 1 matching programmes

INFO: Downloading radio: 'In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees (mt3y)
[original]'
INFO: Downloaded: 104.74 MB (00:41:41) @ 31.04 Mb/s (hafhigh1/ll) [audio]
INFO: Converting to M4A
INFO: Tagging M4A
michael2@Bonds ~ $

Playing the one I downloaded with the Linux Mint generic Media Player it
is a full ptogramme 41 minutes long.

You don't say which version of GIP you are using or which OS you use,
anyway the answer to your last question is yes it is.  Slight disclaimer
In Our Time when I have listened to it makes me feel a tad ignorant so I
haven't listened to the whole thing.

HTH




Thank you Michael. GiP is v3.17 on Windows 10.

See my reply to James - response to using --versions=original on the
recent "Horace" edition (pid=m00014jt) is:
INFO: No versions of this programme were selected (available versions:
podcast)

This has only started happening in the past couple of weeks - I wonder
if for these new ones the original is suppressed even though earlier
programmes might well be available in both formats.

Roger.



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Solving that problem is beyond my competence all I can say is that the 
method I use works despite whatever changes have been made at the BBC 
end, I hope others can offer solutions.  FWIW the only time I end up 
with Podcasts is using the BBC site to listen again via my tablet, so I 
ignore them, not wanting podcasts.



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Re: Compulsory podcasts - In Our Time

[michael norman]

On 18/11/2018 11:05, Roger Wilkins wrote:

Hello All. First time poster; long time lurker.

I notice that In Our Time is now a compulsory podcast, in the sense that
downloading the Thursday 9am broadcast in the usual way using the
programme ID yields a piece topped-and-tailed by the irritating podcast
marketing blahblah (especially at the end, which necessitates stabbing
at the stop button in unseemly fashion).

I prefer to hear the saintly Mr Bragg without all that, though the
podcast does have the advantage of sometimes including extra panel chat
at the end. I just pray that they don't adopt the 5Live habit (e.g. the
TMS podcast) of regularly interrupting the programme with "this is a
podcast from the BBC".

Does anyone know if there is a way round this - to get the original R4
feed? I suspect there isn't.

Thanks, Roger.

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Using CLI on Linux Mint

michael2@Bonds ~ $ get_iplayer --type=radio "In Our Time"
get_iplayer 3.17-ppa32, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain

  conditions; use --conditions for details.



INFO: Indexing radio programmes (concurrent)
..
INFO: Added 530 radio programmes to cache
Matches:
37944:  In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees, BBC Radio 4, mt3y
37945:  In Our Time - Free Radicals, BBC Radio 4, mxqd
37946:  In Our Time - Marie Antoinette, BBC Radio 4, m000117y
37947:  In Our Time - Horace, BBC Radio 4, m00014jt
INFO: 4 matching programmes
michael2@Bonds ~ $ get_iplayer --type=radio --get 37944
get_iplayer 3.17-ppa32, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain

  conditions; use --conditions for details.


Matches:
37944:  In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees, BBC Radio 4, mt3y
INFO: 1 matching programmes

INFO: Downloading radio: 'In Our Time - The Fable of the Bees (mt3y) 
[original]'

INFO: Downloaded: 104.74 MB (00:41:41) @ 31.04 Mb/s (hafhigh1/ll) [audio]
INFO: Converting to M4A
INFO: Tagging M4A
michael2@Bonds ~ $

Playing the one I downloaded with the Linux Mint generic Media Player it 
is a full ptogramme 41 minutes long.


You don't say which version of GIP you are using or which OS you use, 
anyway the answer to your last question is yes it is.  Slight disclaimer 
In Our Time when I have listened to it makes me feel a tad ignorant so I 
haven't listened to the whole thing.


HTH


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Re: No Wimbledon Today?

[michael norman]

On 09/07/18 18:11, Geoff Smith wrote:

This subject was off-topic from the start.

Please drop it.

On 09/07/2018, Alan Milewczyk  wrote:

On 09/07/2018 12:52, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 05:27:53PM +0100, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

On 06/07/2018 13:48, David Cantrell wrote:

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 05:09:26PM +0100, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

I've never known it so bad.

You've obviously not been paying attention to people whining about
things not being instantly available before on this very mailing list.

Uh? Hot weather getting to you? ;-) "It" referred to Wimbledon
programmes as that was the subject under discussion.

It's reasonable to have assumed that "it" referred to content taking a
while to show up on iplayer in general, not just restricted to tennis.


Not in my response. I was very clear I was responding to a topic
entitled "No Wimbledon Today?"

New balls anyone? ;-)


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Indeed, clearly out.


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Re: Dr. Who Downloads

[michael norman]

On 05/06/18 21:43, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

On 05/06/2018 20:56, Jimmy Aitken wrote:

--pid b0074drw


Hmmm, well using "get_iplayer --pid  b0074drw" on GIP3.14 and Win7 x64 
Ultimate, that episode downloaded successfully, no problems whatsoever.



Alan


As it did here using GIP3.14 and Linux Mint 18.3.

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Re: Steve Backshall - Nature's Microworlds - 2 Serengeti.mp4, b01l4906

[michael norman]

On 06/04/18 13:27, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 11:58:44PM +0100, MacFH - C E Macfarlane wrote:


And that's not to mention the absurdity of not being allowed to download
a 40-50 year old B version of 'Pride & Prejudice', or the 50 year old
'Funny Girl' & 43 year old 'Funny Lady',  because of rights issues  -
how many extra DVD sales do the rights holders expect to get by
disallowing this?


The BBC has no choice but to respect the rights holders rights, and if
they didn't get online rights for the content then they *can't* put the
stuff online. You could argue that they jolly well ought to get those
rights, but then you have three issues.

First, the owner of those rights can say "ooh, we never knew this was
worth anything to anybody, we demand one blion spondulicks" and
refuse to see reason and accept that Grandpa's work is just not worth
much.

Second, tracking down the current owner of the rights is Hard after that
long, given that companies have been liquidated, gone out of business,
been bought and sold, and that people have died and left their rights
(often not listed in detail) to heirs who will often have died
themselves (leaving even fewer details about the rights they inherited
from their parents).

Third, the BBC doesn't have complete records of who owned the rights
half a century ago which makes the second problem even harder. Back then
no-one knew that anyone would care. And when they do have records
they've probably not been digitised so they don't know that they have
the records or where they are and certainly can't find them.

That second one in particular is a major pain in the arse. I've been
trying off and on for several years to track down the current owners of
the copyright in a particular out of print book that I would like to
re-publish. And for a book with only two authors and one publisher it
should be easy compared to a TV programme with writers, actors,
directors, composers, ...

+1 to that I assume you can watch these movies via iPlayer, but not 
download them, which is the limit that BBC will do with them, down to 
the rights they ie BBC has.


The OP should ask the license holders of the material.  Plus its OT for 
this technical list.


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Re: Unable to play with VLC

[michael norman]

On 03/04/18 10:42, iz wrote:

This is a known limitation of VLC, and it is unrelated to colour
subtitles. Any external subtitles file can cause the problem. If you
are wedded to .ts files for some reason, try another media player.


Kodi ?



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Re: Format of options file

[michael norman]

On 04/03/18 09:25, RS wrote:

On 04/03/18 00:24, I wrote:


If download_history can use 0x0A as a line terminator in both Linux 
and Windows I can't see why the options file should not also.  The 
options file is internal to get_iplayer.  Users do not need to edit it 
directly.


I would add that now Linux fully supports NTFS it is not unreasonable to 
want to share data between Windows and Linux versions of programs and to 
go backwards and forwards between whatever happens to be convenient at 
the moment.  Thunderbird, Libre Office, Softmaker Teamviewer and 
browsers all make it possible, as long as you don't try to do it on the 
Windows c: drive.


I am writing this with Thunderbird sharing its message store between 
Windows 10 and ubuntu 16.04.  All I needed to do to set it up was to run 
thunderbird -p

to tell it where to store the messages.

Best wishes
Richard


This is OT but the other way of running Linux and Windows on the same 
box is to use virtualisation.  Virtualbox


https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

is a free way of doing that and certainly works with Linux.  My 
experience is using Linux as host and Windows as guest.  Long time since 
I did it but I do know W7 works, I have not used W10.  The advantage 
over dual boot is that you can access both OS's at the same time, and 
you can certainly share directories between the two.  The disadvantage 
is that the virtual machine may lose some functionality ie its not 
suitable IME for playing video games or doing heavy processing of things 
like video files.  But for pretty much anything else it works fine.


Disclaimer, I am by no means an expert in this so please don't direct 
questions to me.  VB is very well documented and IME both openSUSE and 
Linuxmint have extensive community support where you can ask questions. 
I will assome that Windows users will be able to access similar forms of 
support.


As I said OT for this list but maybe germane to what has been said thus far.

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Re: A few ffmpeg queries

[michael norman]

On 14/09/17 12:31, J K.Eason wrote:

On which subject - there's a new channel on Freeview called
FreeSports. But it doesn't show up in EyeTV on my Mac, using an
Elgato Diversity tuner. Anyone have any suggestions to fix that?
No, re-scanning the channel list didn't help.


It's available and viewable on my old Samsung TV and on my Humax
HDR-2000T on channel 95, but according to
http://www.a516digital.com/2017/08/faq-new-sports-channel-freesports.html
  
" Freeview/YouView Reception notes:

*Freeview coverage is limited to around 3/4 of the UK. To receive the
channel on Freeview, you need  a device that is compatible with Freeview
HD or Freeview Play and be able to receive channels such as "QVC HD/QVC
Beauty HD" on Freeview 111/112 or "More4+1" on channel 86. If you can't,
you won't be able to see FreeSports."

I have a Humax HDR1800T , I'm in East London and FWIW having just tested 
the channels you mention I can't get a signal.  My device is compatible 
with Freeview HD etc, and has the latest software update.


Probably a problem best referred to Humax support "if" its a Humax 
issue.  They are pretty helpful.  Probably involves a manual retune to 
point to the best transmitter.


What this has to do with GIP I've no idea.

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Re: recording quality and vpn

[michael norman]

On 27/08/17 17:34, Vangelis forthnet wrote:

  On Sun Aug 27 14:18:36 BST 2017, cc wrote:

can the use of a vpn limit the number of recording qualities available?
(snip) I managed to get1280.x720  def  on 25 aug
(snip) it is now proving impossible for the various downloads I have 
tried. 


... Probably the same issue (unless cc=Gautier) :
https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/thread-1488-newpost.html

i.e. hlshd not appearing inside available tvmodes for an overseas user 
(and inferred use of a VPN...). FWIW, many UK inhabitants and licence 
fee payers do use a VPN service for privacy and other reasons; this is 
also not allowed by the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/in_the_uk_message

If you are using a VPN and are in the UK, try disabling to see if that 
helps. If we detect you might be using a VPN, you'll be unable to play 
programmes. This is because we're unable to detect the end point of 
your private network; we need to be confident you're in the UK. 


For the past two years, after news broke that several millions of 
Chinese netizens were (ab)using iPlayer, the BBC is under a constant 
battle against commercial VPN/ VPS/Proxy/SSL Tunnel services - remember, 
it's quite easy to spot a VPN server (since in the UK the commercial 
ones are usually to be found in known Data Centres with known IP pools), 
especially since a lot of iPlayer traffic appears to be requested by a 
single IP address. If you're using a VPN service or like, expect it to 
be blocked at any time; it's unwise to post about it here in the list, 
am afraid no help could be (/is allowed to be) offered to you... And 
it's certainly most unwise to post about it in the Forums, where 1. it's 
against their rules 2. they do IP checks of registered members (if not 
in the UK). Take your issue directly with your VPN provider...
FWIW, when the BBC blacklist VPN IPs, they usually start with their 
mediaselector API URLs, so you do get blocked at the door, resulting in 
no streams at all offered to you... Selectively blocking only hlshd but 
allowing other streams to appear sounds a bit iffy; that means that the 
Akamai CDN server (serving the hlshd stream) itself blocks the VPN IP, 
but why would the BBC do that, if other streams could still be accessed? 
Most probably it's an issue with the VPN itself and its configuration, 
so as Gautier surmised
So clearly there must be something wrong on my end. 


On Sun Aug 27 16:43:21 BST 2017, d.lake wrote:
Don't use a VPN - use an HTTP proxy. That way you'll get full download 
speed from a local CDN at the full range of bit-rates.


Hi, you appear to be in the UK, so I suspect your recommendation to use 
an HTTP(S) proxy is for those in the UK with privacy concerns... In the 
very remote chance your advice is for non-UK users, then in that case 
there's not a big difference between a UK VPN and a UK proxy speedwise; 
all TV streams are blocked currently at CDN server level, so they have 
to be redirected fully through the VPN/HTTP server... The above info is 
disclosed for pure "academic" reasons... I suppose I (and other members) 
should stop this discussion here, so as to not upset even further the 
high powers that be...


Regards

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Surely the point of all this is that if you are in UK and pay the 
license fee you should be able to access BBC content  and GIP without 
using a VPN to do that.


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Re: recording quality and vpn

[michael norman]

On 27/08/17 15:48, cc wrote:

thanks
fyi I am paying the license fee but the bbc does not care whether I do 
before limiting their service


Ok accepted,
- Original Message - From: "michael norman" 
<michaeltnor...@gmail.com>

To: <get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: recording quality and vpn



On 27/08/17 14:24, David Cantrell wrote:

On 27/08/2017 14:18, cc wrote:


can the use of a vpn limit the number of recording qualities available?
Although I managed to get1280.x720 def on 25 aug with - -tvdefault in
the command line, it is now proving impossible for the various 
downloads

I have tried.


Only if the BBC are deliberately breaking it for customers of your 
VPN provider.


Quite right if the customers are using a VPN without paying the 
license fee.


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Re: recording quality and vpn

[michael norman]

On 27/08/17 14:24, David Cantrell wrote:

On 27/08/2017 14:18, cc wrote:


can the use of a vpn limit the number of  recording qualities available?
Although I managed to get1280.x720  def  on 25 aug with - -tvdefault in
the command line, it is now proving impossible for the various downloads
I have tried.


Only if the BBC are deliberately breaking it for customers of your VPN 
provider.



Quite right if the customers are using a VPN without paying the license fee.

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Re: Podcast sample rate

[michael norman]

On 27/07/17 17:39, RS wrote:

From: michael norman Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:37


I have always used hardware players by which I assume you mean 
portable players to listen to music.  Those used to be called mp3 
players culminating in the iPOD I suppose.  Nowadays I still do that 
and having used various Cowon models in the past I now use a Fii0 X1.


Yes I do mean portable or MP3 players.  Thanks for the suggestion but 
the Amazon description of the Fii0 X1 is a good example of what I have 
been up against.  There is no indication in it of which file formats the 
device supports.


The X1 plays anything I can throw at it, see this review

https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/fiio-x1-finally-a-high-resolution-music-player-that-wont-empty-your-bank-account/

Before that I used Cowon players that did pretty much the same thing but 
didn't play hi res files, but I don't have any of those.  I have never 
used Sandisk models. but I have never had a problem playing MP3 files on 
the devices I've used.  If players purport to play AAC files and don't 
then that is surely something the buyer should take up with whoever 
supplied the device.  I read the exchanges about the Linn player, which 
like all Linn stuff costs big money, certainly more money than I've ever 
had, and I have lusted after Linn stuff for a long time, whether the guy 
who posted that issue got a satisfactory response from Linn I can't 
remember.


You want to play FLAC and OGG files from ripped CDs.  Several of the 
cheap players will play FLAC and OGG without problem.  I want mainly to 
play speech radio programmes from the BBC.  Some are available as MP3 
podcasts, but most are delivered by get_iplayer as AAC .  That is why I 
find it frustrating when players claim to support AAC-LC but don't or 
don't properly.  It is not a question of price.  One person had a 
problem playing long AAC files with a Linn player, and I gather they 
sell for several thousand pounds.  The SanDisk Clip Jam has come down in 
price and is now about £25.  I have been very lucky in that SanDisk 
support has fixed the problem I had with AAC within about two months.


I thought my satellite receiver played AAC-LC files without problem.  I 
have just discovered that although it does start to play them it stops 
at a point which is repeatable for each file but is very different from 
one file to another.  For example the 320kbit/s Radio 3 recording of 
Prom 3, which includes the Schumann 2nd symphony you referred to, stops 
at 41min 27s.  The 128kbit/s recording of the same Prom stops at 6min 31s.


It is not difficult to convert files to MP3, and MP3 has lot going for 
it, especially in terms of compatibility.  Quality from the latest LAME 
encoder is not far below AAC.  There are not many listening tests at 
high bit rates, but it is generally accepted that transparency, absence 
of audible artefacts no matter how difficult to encode the source 
material, is achieved with 256kbit/s AAC or 320kbit/s LAME MP3.


Yes it is quite possible to convert one lossy format to another I can do 
that quite easily, and yes LAME is as good as that as it gets.  I will 
not accept that encoding a lossless file into a lossy one does not 
involve a loss of quality, and lots of people agree with me.  But that's 
another debate.


The bigger question I suppose is how many devices can the BBC be 
expected to support on for their content.  Plus given that all of this 
is a moving target who if anybody could produce a list of which BBC 
modes work on which players ?  Or have I missed your point ?


There are extensions to AAC, called SBR and PS.  SBR is a more efficient 
way of encoding high frequencies.  As Vangelis has pointed out, if the 
player does not support SBR the high frequencies are lost.  PS is a 
different way of encoding stereo.  If the player does not support PS, 
all stereo information is lost.  10 years ago there was a need to reduce 
bit rates to save memory.  Players now have much larger memories.  I 
regard the extensions, together known as HE-AAC, as a retrograde step.  
They are not used at bit rates of 128kbit/s and above.  I would prefer 
the BBC always to make a mode of 128bit/s or higher available rather 
than use HE-AAC.


As for the types of devices supported by the BBC, having a large number 
is a good thing because it results in a wider choice of modes from 
get_iplayer.


SBR PS whatever, none of those can put back what is lost by encoding a 
file downwards, information is lost.


I don't do AAC, MP3 or whatever but the rest of the world does, so I 
imagine my point might be is the BBC output flawed in some way, assuming 
it isn't can the BBC be expected to make up for deficiencies in 
available players ?


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Re: Podcast sample rate

[michael norman]

On 26/07/17 12:36, RS wrote:

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:56  I wrote

To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Podcast sample rate

I wish the BBC would think more about backwards compatibility of AAC. 
There is no problem with software players.  HTML5 and recent versions 
of VLC fully support HE-AAC v2 with LC (Low Complexity), SBR (Spectral 
Band Replication) and PS (Parametric Stereo).  The problem is with 
hardware players.


I am not alone in this list in having had difficulties playing AAC-LC 
at all.  When trying to find hardware players which support SBR and PS 
the problem gets worse.


I have always used hardware players by which I assume you mean portable 
players to listen to music.  Those used to be called mp3 players 
culminating in the iPOD I suppose.  Nowadays I still do that and having 
used various Cowon models in the past I now use a Fii0 X1.  That one 
costs around £99 plus memory card.  Nowadays I imagine most people use 
smartphones as general media devices and the market such as it is for 
"mp3 players" has moved upmarket into its own niche.  My Fiio device is 
one of the cheapest options in that market.  I only use it to play cds 
ripped into flac or ogg and a very few mp3  I imagine if I put a some 
radio programmes from GIP on it that it "should" play them, I haven't 
tried that.  Whether cheaper players like some on the Sandisk ones that 
will do that I don't know.  Neither do I know how smartphones perform in 
this area for the simple reason that I don't have one.


The bigger question I suppose is how many devices can the BBC be 
expected to support on for their content.  Plus given that all of this 
is a moving target who if anybody could produce a list of which BBC 
modes work on which players ?  Or have I missed your point ?


Obviously what I would like the BBC to do is off topic.  Even so, I hope 
I will be forgiven for saying that I would like to see a move towards at 
least 128kbit/s stereo audio in preference to adding SBR.


I only have a vague idea of what SBR or even VBR means. is that an MP3 
thing ? I only use MP3 when I can't get the content any other way.


What I would like get_iplayer to do is to include in the documentation a 
warning of the perils of SBR for players which do not support it and to 
include in the table in

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/modesref
an indication of which modes use SBR and which do not.


A question for the GIP developers ?


Is the table up to date?  For HVF 50fps modes it shows the audio bit 
rate as 128kbit/s or 320kbit/s and for HVF 25fps modes other than HVFlow 
it shows the audio bit rate as 96kbit/s or 320kbit/s.  I have not used 
the 50fps modes but I have occasionally used HVFxsd.  I have not seen 
320kbit/s audio. Which programmes use it?


See last coment.


Is the radio table up to date?  I thought I had seen somewhere that 
there had been a relaxation of the 96kbit/s maximum bit rate when 
listening abroad.  I can't find anything about it on the BBC's website.  
This page

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/Mobile_abroad
tells me under the heading, "Can I listen to radio abroad?"
"You can also listen to BBC radio outside the UK from a desktop computer 
at www.bbc.co.uk/radio."
There is no mention of bit rate.  If I go to that page in Firefox it 
does indeed play the programme I select, but it does not offer me a 
choice of bit rates, but automatically plays at 320kbit/s.  I have not 
tried doing it abroad.


Interestingly that 320kbit/s bit rate means the radio iPlayer offers the 
highest bit rate of any mode of delivering radio programmes.  Television 
is the poor relation in comparison.  Many broadcast programmes include a 
256kbit/s AC3 stream, but for most modes the iPlayer does not offer 
anything better than 96kbit/s stereo.


Listening abroad is not an issue for me, being in UK

For my use radio downloads are now 320kbits by default which suits me 
given thar I have the bandwidth, I assume I could specify a different 
mode if I needed to.


As you say if you listen to radio iPlayer via Firefox or any other 
browser it doesn't offer a choice of bitrates.  I think it should but 
maybe that's one for the BBC.


Personally I'd like to see tv programmes offer the highest quality audio 
as per radio, again one for the BBC ?



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Re: Podcast sample rate

[michael norman]

On 26/07/17 13:12, Jim web wrote:

In article , RS
 wrote:

There is no mention of bit rate.  If I go to that page in Firefox it
does indeed play the programme I select, but it does not offer me a
choice of bit rates, but automatically plays at 320kbit/s.  I have not
tried doing it abroad.


IIRC the standard iplayer radio interface is 'adaptive' and tries to send
the highest rate the connection, method, and software shows it can deliver
to the client. So you should get 320k *unless* that seems not to work, or
something can't cope, when it may drop to trying a lower rate.

WRT TV I think the Proms files I've fetched are all 320k audio now. But
I've not checked in detail what I've got thus far. My personal regret here
is that I'd prefer the 25fps video with 320k audio, but have to go for
50fps to get it.

FWIW I've not fetched any 320k radio files of Proms yet this year. Too
busy with the flac! :-)

Jim


Jim

Proms ain't really my thing but I just downloaded the radio Barenboim 
Elgar one at 320k.  Plays very nicely here via VLC.


But you probably knew that.

Lovely music.

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Re: A bug in get_iplayer-3.01?

[michael norman]

On 07/06/2017 11:11 PM, Vangelis forthnet wrote:

On Thu Jul 6 22:58:08 BST 2017, Ralph Corderoy wrote:

and there hasn't been anything on the mailing list since then.


... and I call this "calm before the storm" ... :-)

Regards, Vangelis.

So can I go to sleep in the knowledge that the sky might not fall in 
before I wake up ?



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Re: BBC Earth

[michael norman]

On 06/14/2017 06:13 PM, Mark Carroll wrote:

On 14 Jun 2017, CJB wrote:


Is it possible to download files from BBC Earth? Seems like licence
fee payers are paying for a channel that they cannot access -
certainly its not on Freeview. CJB


Isn't it largely means by which BBC Worldwide show stuff that we
domestically already got to see on other channels, akin to BBC America
or whatever? I would have thought that get_iplayer probably caught much
of that stuff from elsewhere if you had it previously set for those
shows back when they were shown here. I think they've done films, etc.,
too, but those were paid for by cinemagoers as far as I know.

-- Mark

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Seems to me that this whole issue has nothing to do with GIP which 
exists to access programmes frm BBC iPlayer, funded by our licence fee. 
BBC World I suspect is a part of the BBC as a business.  Whether or not 
any of our license fee goes towards that I don't know.  The obvious 
answer is to ask the BBC or Offcom or whoever.


My quick research enabled me to access it via YouTube, I can't recall 
BBC World as ever having been available via Iplayer however you might 
choose to access that.  Freeview of itself merely provides access to BBC 
digital channels paid for from the license fee.


IMO none of this has anything to do with GIP

You want to debate the BBC's funding, do it somewhere else.

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Re: R3 Flac again

[michael norman]

On 06/03/2017 02:06 PM, Jim web wrote:

In article <be20f8da-7e6f-7fd0-0d11-a05bf8ddc...@gmail.com>, michael
norman <michaeltnor...@gmail.com> wrote:


Without wanting to start the usual debate about bitrates etc my personal
wish would be for the BBC to stream all of its music output in flac.


Well, the pattern in the past is that this tends to be the way such things
end up being rolled out. Once it is, you're next problem is to try and beat
down the producers up the chain who level/band compress music into pap.

Jim

Indeed much recorded music is processed as you describe.  Quite a lot 
now isn't, see debates about "loudness wars" etc.  If I as a listener 
have a problem with that sort of thing well I avoid as far as I can 
listening to their output.  As a consumer I'll judge what I hear, be it 
streams, cds or lps by what it sounds like to me. If I don't like ir I 
won't pay for it, if its a physical medium like lp or cd I'll send it back.


All I want the BBC to do is make the option available to me with the 
content I want.  That content is not "classical" music but I understand 
why they would start this experiment with that music, I'll listen when 
they do that maybe I'll improve my musical education at the same time.


Mike

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Re: R3 Flac again

[michael norman]

On 06/03/2017 12:34 PM, Jim web wrote:

This is just to let people know as I think some here will be interested.

I've just been told by 'someone at the BBC' that *all* their R3 programming
during the period of the Proms will be flac streamed. This is contrary to
what I'd been told previously when it had been said that *only* the actual
Proms would be flac streamed.

Looks like the previous 'test' was judged a success. :-)

Jim



Without wanting to start the usual debate about bitrates etc my personal 
wish would be for the BBC to stream all of its music output in flac.


I live in hope.

Mike

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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2 SOLVED

[michael norman]

On 05/03/2017 11:51 AM, SquarePenguin wrote:


I can't tell you why you're facing the error but my suspicion would be
that disabling the h264 decoder is somehow affecting how gip is handling
the remuxing. Perhaps it needs to decode the first frame of the stream
or something? I can't say.

I guess the simplest thing to do would be to simply install a 'known
good' static ffmpeg binary and tell gip to use that instead. It wouldn't
affect your system ffmpeg install, it would just be a stand alone binary
for gip to use.

There is a very clear guide to do this in the wiki. It's usually used
for old distros but it simply installs a separate ffmpeg binary for gip
to use that's known to work so would hopefully work for you to.

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/unix#ffmpeg-for-old-linux-distros



Many thanks, that has solved the problem.


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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 03/05/17 11:51, SquarePenguin wrote:

 From your log I can't really see anything obvious aside from

Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0x9cfc20] Failed loading nvcuvid.
[mpegts @ 0x9c9f60] Failed to open codec in avformat_find_stream_info
Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0x9cfc20] Failed loading nvcuvid.

...and...

[mpegts @ 0x9c9f60] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Audio:
aac ([15][0][0][0] / 0x000F), 0 channels, 289 kb/s): unspecified sample rate
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize'
options
[mpegts @ 0x9c9f60] Could not find codec parameters for stream 1 (Video:
h264 (Main), 1 reference frame ([27][0][0][0] / 0x001B),
nv12(progressive)): unspecified size
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize'
options
Input #0, mpegts, from
'/home/michael1/The_Next_Step_Series_2_-_34._Rewind_b061bb2z_original.hls.ts':
   Duration: 00:21:40.00, start: 10.00, bitrate: 1987 kb/s
   Program 16727
 Stream #0:0[0x22](eng): Audio: aac ([15][0][0][0] / 0x000F), 0
channels, 289 kb/s
 Stream #0:1[0x21]: Video: h264 (Main), 1 reference frame
([27][0][0][0] / 0x001B), nv12(progressive), 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 90k tbc
[mp4 @ 0x9d0bc0] dimensions not set
Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters
?): Invalid argument
Stream mapping:
   Stream #0:1 -> #0:0 (copy)
   Stream #0:0 -> #0:1 (copy)
 Last message repeated 1 times
INFO: Command exit code 1 (raw code = 256)
WARNING: Conversion failed - retaining video file:
/home/michael1/The_Next_Step_Series_2_-_34._Rewind_b061bb2z_original.hls.ts

I also saw this:

--disable-decoder='mpeg1video,mpeg2video,mpeg4,h264,vc1'

I can't tell you why you're facing the error but my suspicion would be
that disabling the h264 decoder is somehow affecting how gip is handling
the remuxing. Perhaps it needs to decode the first frame of the stream
or something? I can't say.

I guess the simplest thing to do would be to simply install a 'known
good' static ffmpeg binary and tell gip to use that instead. It wouldn't
affect your system ffmpeg install, it would just be a stand alone binary
for gip to use.

There is a very clear guide to do this in the wiki. It's usually used
for old distros but it simply installs a separate ffmpeg binary for gip
to use that's known to work so would hopefully work for you to.

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/unix#ffmpeg-for-old-linux-distros


Thanks for trying to solve this, I'll try your suggestion re ffmpeg.


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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 05/02/2017 12:25 PM, SquarePenguin wrote:

On 02/05/17 12:01, michael norman wrote:

I'll try that later.  Thanks for help so far, got other things to do for
a while.


OK. When you come back can you attempt the download again but with the
following command to capture a log as a text file:

get_iplayer --get 6647 --verbose > "$HOME/log.txt" 2>&1

The log.txt file will be saved to your $HOME directory. Then attach the
log in a reply here (you may have to CC me directly to send the
attachment if this list rejects it).

It would be interesting to see which ffmpeg get_iplayer is using and
it's configuration which should be included in the log.

Thanks



That command does not work.


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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 02/05/17 11:57, SquarePenguin wrote:

On 02/05/17 11:31, michael norman wrote:

Does this help ?

Maybe.

What's the output of `vainfo` please?

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I'll try that later.  Thanks for help so far, got other things to do for 
a while.


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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 05/02/2017 11:09 AM, SquarePenguin wrote:

On 02/05/17 10:48, michael norman wrote:

No I have Intel on board graphic chip


And what is the output of lspci -v | grep VGA please, just for certainty?

And when you simply run `ffmpeg` in the terminal, what is the full
output, can you post it here please?

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Bonds:~ # lspci -v | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core 
Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 
[VGA controller])


and

michael1@Bonds:~> ffmpeg
ffmpeg version 3.3 Copyright (c) 2000-2017 the FFmpeg developers
  built with gcc 4.8 (SUSE Linux)
  configuration: --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64 
--shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --incdir=/usr/include/ffmpeg 
--extra-cflags='-fmessage-length=0 -grecord-gcc-switches -O2 -Wall 
-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector -funwind-tables 
-fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g' --optflags='-fmessage-length=0 
-grecord-gcc-switches -O2 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector 
-funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g' --disable-htmlpages 
--enable-pic --disable-stripping --enable-shared --disable-static 
--enable-gpl --disable-openssl --enable-avresample --enable-libcdio 
--enable-gnutls --enable-ladspa --enable-libass --enable-libbluray 
--enable-libcelt --enable-libcdio --enable-libdc1394 
--enable-libfreetype --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg 
--enable-libopus --enable-libpulse --enable-libschroedinger 
--enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx 
--enable-libwebp --enable-netcdf --enable-vaapi --enable-vdpau 
--disable-encoders --disable-decoders --enable-muxers --enable-demuxers 
--disable-decoder='mpeg1video,mpeg2video,mpeg4,h264,vc1' 
--enable-encoder='apng,ass,ayuv,bmp,ffv1,ffvhuff,flac,gif,huffyuv,jpegls,libgsm,libopenjpeg,libopus,libschroedinger,libspeex,libtheora,libvorbis,libvpx_vp8,libvpx_vp9,libwebp,libwebp_anim,mjpeg,pam,pbm,pcm_alaw,pcm_f32be,pcm_f32le,pcm_f64be,pcm_f64le,pcm_mulaw,pcm_s16be,pcm_s16be_planar,pcm_s16le,pcm_s16le_planar,pcm_s24be,pcm_s24le,pcm_s24le_planar,pcm_s32be,pcm_s32le,pcm_s32le_planar,pcm_s8,pcm_s8_planar,pcm_u16be,pcm_u16le,pcm_u24be,pcm_u24le,pcm_u32be,pcm_u32le,pcm_u8,pcx,pgm,pgmyuv,png,ppm,sgi,srt,ssa,sunrast,targa,text,tiff,v210,v308,v408,v410,vorbis,xbm,xwd,y41p,yuv4,zlib,' 
--enable-decoder='ac3,ansi,apng,ass,ayuv,bmp,dirac,exr,ffv1,ffvhuff,ffwavesynth,flac,gif,gsm,huffyuv,libcelt,libgsm,libopenjpeg,libopus,libschroedinger,libspeex,libvorbis,libvpx_vp8,libvpx_vp9,mjpegmp3,opus,pam,pbm,pcm_alaw,pcm_bluray,pcm_dvd,pcm_f32be,pcm_f32le,pcm_f64be,pcm_f64le,pcm_mulaw,pcm_s16be,pcm_s16be_planar,pcm_s16le,pcm_s16le_planar,pcm_s24be,pcm_s24le,pcm_s24le_planar,pcm_s32be,pcm_s32le,pcm_s32le_planar,pcm_s8,pcm_s8_planar,pcm_u16be,pcm_u16le,pcm_u24be,pcm_u24le,pcm_u32be,pcm_u32le,pcm_u8,pcx,pgm,pgmyuv,pgssub,png,ppm,rawvideo,sgi,srt,ssa,sunrast,targa,text,theora,tiff,v210,v210x,v308,v408,v410,vorbis,vp3,vp5,vp6,vp6a,vp6f,vp8,vp9,webp,xbm,xwd,y41p,yuv4,zlib,'

  libavutil  55. 58.100 / 55. 58.100
  libavcodec 57. 89.100 / 57. 89.100
  libavformat57. 71.100 / 57. 71.100
  libavdevice57.  6.100 / 57.  6.100
  libavfilter 6. 82.100 /  6. 82.100
  libavresample   3.  5.  0 /  3.  5.  0
  libswscale  4.  6.100 /  4.  6.100
  libswresample   2.  7.100 /  2.  7.100
  libpostproc54.  5.100 / 54.  5.100
Hyper fast Audio and Video encoder
usage: ffmpeg [options] [[infile options] -i infile]... {[outfile 
options] outfile}...


Does this help ?




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Re: GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 05/02/2017 10:36 AM, SquarePenguin wrote:

On 02/05/17 09:58, michael norman wrote:

Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0xa02c20] Failed loading nvcuvid.
Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0xa02c20] Failed loading nvcuvid.


ffmpeg is working/being accessed (I think). It's just apparently
attempting to access a CUDA library for GPU accelerated video conversion
and can't find it.

Do you have an Nvidia GPU? Use `lspci -v | grep VGA` to check if you're
not sure.

Are you sure that the libnvcuvid.so library is installed correctly?

Use a linux utility like find to locate whether libnvcuvid.so is
installed on your system and where.




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No I have Intel on board graphic chip

michael1@Bonds:~> find libnvcuvid.so
find: ‘libnvcuvid.so’: No such file or directory
michael1@Bonds:~> #

I can't find a way of installing it either.


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GIP 3.00 openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

I installed GIP 3.00 as per the instructions into /usr/local/bin.

I checked that I have AtomicParsley and Ffmpeg before I did that.

Ok ran GIP and got this

michael1@Bonds:~> get_iplayer  --get 6647
get_iplayer v3.00, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
  This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain

  conditions; use --conditions for details.

  NOTE: A UK TV licence is required to legally access BBC iPlayer TV 
content


Matches:
6647:   The Andy Williams Show - Duets, BBC Four, b00n5bt9

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: 
hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,hvfxsd3,hvfxsd4,hvfxsd5,hvfxsd6,hvfxsd7,hvfxsd8,hvfxsd9,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxsd3,dvfxsd4,hlsvhigh1,hlsvhigh2,hvfxhigh1,hvfxhigh2,hvfxhigh3,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh3,dvfxhigh4,hvflow1,hvflow2,hvflow3,dvflow1,dvflow2,dvflow3,dvflow4 
modes will be tried for version original

INFO: Trying hvfxsd1 mode to record tv: The Andy Williams Show - 1. Duets
INFO: File name prefix = 
The_Andy_Williams_Show_-_1._Duets_b00n5bt9_original
INFO: Begin recording file: 
/home/michael1/The_Andy_Williams_Show_-_1._Duets_b00n5bt9_original.video.ts

INFO: Begin recording at: 0.00 MiB (00:00:00) [1]
INFO: Recorded: 759.24 MiB (00:59:06) [462] in 00:03:02 at 33.37 Mibit/s 

INFO: Saved HLS video file: 
/home/michael1/The_Andy_Williams_Show_-_1._Duets_b00n5bt9_original.hls.ts
INFO: Begin converting video file: 
/home/michael1/The_Andy_Williams_Show_-_1._Duets_b00n5bt9_original.hls.ts

Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0xa02c20] Failed loading nvcuvid.
Cannot load libnvcuvid.so.1
[h264_cuvid @ 0xa02c20] Failed loading nvcuvid.
[mp4 @ 0xa03d80] dimensions not set
Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters 
?): Invalid argument


INFO: Command exit code 1 (raw code = 256)
WARNING: Conversion failed - retaining video file: 
/home/michael1/The_Andy_Williams_Show_-_1._Duets_b00n5bt9_original.hls.ts



A repeat of my previous experience using 2.99 which I could never fix.

looking for ffmpeg gives this

michael1@Bonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz
michael1@Bonds:~> which ffmpeg
/usr/bin/ffmpeg
michael1@Bonds:~>

So the same question, how can I get GIP to use ffmpeg ?

M

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Re: No .xml - what is work-around?

[michael norman]

On 04/28/2017 03:13 PM, artisticforge . wrote:

the simple answer is that something is different this time around.

I am seriously sick and have other issues on my mind. I know that right now
under Jessie Debian get_iplayer-2.99 is completely and utterly broken.
if you say it works great go for it. between lung cancer and testicular cancer
i may very well be dead by the time get_iplayer work around is found.

i have dvds and itunes.


On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Geoff Smith  wrote:

Not so.

The last time this happened Vangelis provided a work-around, which you
confirmed as working!
See yours of 14 March 2017 at 14:02.
It's slow but does work.

Geoff Smith

On 28/04/2017, artisticforge .  wrote:

get_iplayer-2.99

completely and utterly broken.




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Good grief, the sky is falling in, get a grip

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Re: April fool or real?

[michael norman]

Who knows.  Interesting that they choose Firefox as a default browser.  
Be that as it may using FF here on Linux I can find this from R3


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0080fv2

as in Composer Of The Week Scott Joplin.

Which sounds pretty good to me.  I don't know how to tell the quality of 
streams, but judging by ear I'll guess FLAC.


My interest in R3 is limited to say the least, really only the Jazz 
stuff, my wider concern is digitalised music in the best possible quality.


If what I'm playing is the BBC's effort to do that, more power to them.

Mike




On 05/04/17 16:57, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Is this an 'April Fool' joke or a real trial? :-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound/inside-story

Jim




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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 21/03/17 13:49, iz wrote:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 1:35 PM
From: RS 

For HLS you need v2.5 or above so v3.2 ought to be alright.  However I have
a feeling there was a problem with v3.2 and you need to upgrade to v3.2.2.


You don't. I found the solution for particular issue covered here:

https://squarepenguin.co.uk/forums/thread-1144.html

and it no longer affects GiP, nor would it affect your example. And as you know 
from other posts, ffmpeg 3.2 will work OK.


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Thank you for your help I'm going to put all this aside for a while and 
return to it later.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 21/03/17 13:18, RS wrote:

From: iz
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:59



Wrong syntax (compare to below), and not necessary since you have
established that /usr/bin/ffmpeg is in $PATH.


What happens if you type ffmeg at a prompt?  It should display the
version number and configuration information.  If it doesn't, you may
need to re-install ffmpeg.







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typing ffmpeg at a prompt produces exactly the result you describe.

short bit michael1@linuxBonds:~> which ffmpeg

/usr/bin/ffmpeg
michael1@linuxBonds:~> ffmpeg
ffmpeg version 3.2 Copyright (c) 2000-2016 the FFmpeg developers
  built with gcc 4.8 (SUSE Linux)




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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 21/03/17 12:59, iz wrote:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:51 PM
From: "michael norman"

I last tried --prefs-add ffmpeg  "/usr/bin/ffmpeg" but that doesn't work.


Wrong syntax (compare to below), and not necessary since you have established 
that /usr/bin/ffmpeg is in $PATH.


I ran get_iplayer --prefs-del --ffmpeg="/usr/share/ffmpeg"


I suggest you back up and delete $HOME/.get_iplayer/options since it may have 
junk in it now. Run with only default settings until you know ffmpeg works.

Ok did that, same result, I'll set up another user and see if it works 
there, in desperation.  Whether I know how ffmpeg works is neither here 
nor there.  GIP should know how ffmpeg works whatever I try, which seems 
to be exclusive to me on two boxes running openSUSE, it or rather the 
OpenSUSE version of GIP does not.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 21/03/17 11:43, iz wrote:




Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 at 2:23 PM
From: "michael norman"

/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
open3: exec of /usr/share/ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -y -i
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
-c:v copy -c:a copy -bsf:a aac_adtstoasc
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4
failed at /usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.


You have misconfigured GiP somehow. /usr/share/ffmpeg will never be the 
location of your ffmpeg binary. It is a folder that contains shared data for 
ffmpeg, such as preset files. No surprise that GiP can't launch a folder. Use 
/usr/bin/ffmpeg, though that should already in in $PATH and thus no need to 
configure GiP explicitly.

Quite so.  What I can't work out is how to change that.  I note other 
openSUSE users don't have this problem, but I did try another 
installation of GIP on another openSUSe box here and got the same 
result, go figure.  Same repo same set up both on leap42.2.


M

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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 21/03/17 11:15, Budge wrote:

On 19/03/17 12:23, RS wrote:

From: Budge Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 20:15

You have got a lot more information from Mediainfo than I have seen.
What parameters do I need to use to get all that information?



I did not set any parameters.  What operating system are you using?


I am using Windows.  In Windows Mediainfo has a GUI and a number of tabs
to present information in different formats.  Maybe I am being unfair to
it, and I need to do a like for like comparison to see whether the Linux
version has information the Windows version does not.

Another program I need to get to know better is AtomicParsley.


I doubt that the windoze program is fundamentally different in function
but if you are using a GUI then clearly the input parameters may be
different.

You could always try linux.  It is very easy these days, especially with
live CDs which enable you to try various versions without messing with
your system.

Budge

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Much as I agree about using Linux that and the other recent posts seem 
to have strayed away from my original problem.  I've stopped trying to 
solve that because I dual boot openSUSE and Linux Mint and GIP works as 
it should on the latter.  Continuing the OT bit about Linux distros and 
despite being a long term SUSE user since about 1998 Mint is the one I'd 
recommend Windows users to try. But as I say that is horribly OT here.


M


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 11:45, RS wrote:

From: Budge Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:58



I am also running Leap 42.2 and just tried your pid. It worked fine
and media info gave me:-


Your example is not quite the same.  Michael has used --tvmode=hlshd
whereas you seem to have used --tvmode=hvfxsd.

You have got a lot more information from Mediainfo than I have seen.
What parameters do I need to use to get all that information?



Surely the tv mode used makes no difference to whether or not ffmpeg can 
convert the file ?


As I said in another reply the downloads complete, they are .ts files 
which VLC will play.  So the problem I deduce to be with ffmpeg.  Either 
the version I'm using or perhaps that GIP doesn't know where to find it.



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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 11:04, RS wrote:

From: michael norman Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 09:55



On 18/03/17 07:38, The Kernel wrote:

On 17/03/17 14:23, michael norman wrote:

_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4 failed at
/usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.


From your earlier posts it looks as though the get_iplayer download is
completing successfully.  You can check that by playing the file ending
.hls.ts in VLC.  Skip through it to the end, and confirm that it is
complete.  The failure appears to be occurring in ffmpeg.  What happens
if you run ffmpeg manually?  How much space to you have in your -output
directory?  You need enough space for a temporary file roughly the same
size as the .hls.ts file.



The downloaded file (s) is complete.  VLC will play them.  I have more 
than enough space in the relevant directory to run ffmpeg manually, if I 
knew how to do that.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 07:38, The Kernel wrote:

On 17/03/17 14:23, michael norman wrote:

_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4 failed at
/usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.
michael1@linuxBonds:~>


That line reads:
$procid = open3( 0, $fh_child_out, $fh_child_err, @cmd );


Also worth running

su -
zypper ve

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Zypper reports all dependencies satisfied.

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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 05:34, The Kernel wrote:

On 17/03/17 22:10, Nick Lord wrote:

FWIW my get_iplayer 2.99 came from this repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/malcolmlewis:/openSUSE_
General/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/

Is this what you're using?


I too use this
And all is well
Double check your GIP is 2.99 from Malcolm's repo
I would suggest toggling the repo switch on Packman, then on Malcolm's
and apply

See if that helps

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I have double checked it.  I am unsure what you mean by toggling the 
repo switch.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 17/03/17 18:31, Nick Lord wrote:

I have the same set-up, which works fine for me. Is your ffmpeg maybe
out of date? I have version 3.2-6.6 from the packman repository


That's what I have.



On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 14:23 +, michael norman wrote:

Running as per the title

Converting video file fails as per this example

Matches:
5569:   imagine...: Summer 2010 - Growing Old Disgracefully, BBC
Two,
b00sz455

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO:
hlshd1,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxsd3,dvfxsd4,hlsvhigh1,hvfx
high1,hvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh3,dvfxhigh4,hlsstd1,hlsxs
td1,hvflow1,hvflow2,dvflow1,dvflow2,dvflow3,dvflow4
modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying hlshd1 mode to record tv: imagine...: Summer 2010 - 3.
Growing Old Disgracefully
INFO: File name prefix =
imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original

INFO: Begin recording file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-
_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.video.ts
INFO: Begin recording at: 0.00 MiB (00:00:00) [1]
INFO: Recorded: 1058.78 MiB (00:59:59) [360] in 00:03:34 at 39.58
Mibit/s
INFO: Saved HLS video file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-
_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
INFO: Begin converting video file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-
_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
open3: exec of /usr/share/ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -y -i
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-
_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
-c:v copy -c:a copy -bsf:a aac_adtstoasc
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-
_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4
failed at /usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.
michael1@linuxBonds:~>

ffmpeg is here

michael1@linuxBonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg
/usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz
michael1@linuxBonds:~>

Do I need to adjust my path to ffmpeg, or something else ?

Any suggestions please ?

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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 09:21, Colin Law wrote:

On 17 March 2017 at 14:23, michael norman <michaeltnor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Running as per the title

Converting video file fails as per this example

Matches:
5569:   imagine...: Summer 2010 - Growing Old Disgracefully, BBC Two,
b00sz455

INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO:
hlshd1,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxsd3,dvfxsd4,hlsvhigh1,hvfxhigh1,hvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh3,dvfxhigh4,hlsstd1,hlsxstd1,hvflow1,hvflow2,dvflow1,dvflow2,dvflow3,dvflow4
modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying hlshd1 mode to record tv: imagine...: Summer 2010 - 3. Growing
Old Disgracefully
INFO: File name prefix =
imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original
INFO: Begin recording file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.video.ts
INFO: Begin recording at: 0.00 MiB (00:00:00) [1]
INFO: Recorded: 1058.78 MiB (00:59:59) [360] in 00:03:34 at 39.58 Mibit/s
INFO: Saved HLS video file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
INFO: Begin converting video file:
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
open3: exec of /usr/share/ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -y -i
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
-c:v copy -c:a copy -bsf:a aac_adtstoasc
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4
failed at /usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.
michael1@linuxBonds:~>

ffmpeg is here

michael1@linuxBonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz


You may have two ffmpegs, /usr/bin/ffmpeg and /usr/share/ffmpeg. Run
which ffmpeg
to find which you are actually running.

Colin


michael1@linuxBonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz

michael1@linuxBonds:~> which ffmpeg
/usr/bin/ffmpeg
michael1@linuxBonds:~>

I assume I need to point GIP to /usr/bin/ffmpeg.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 07:38, The Kernel wrote:

On 17/03/17 14:23, michael norman wrote:

_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4 failed at
/usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.
michael1@linuxBonds:~>


That line reads:
$procid = open3( 0, $fh_child_out, $fh_child_err, @cmd );


Also worth running

su -
zypper ve



I'll try that in a little while.


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Re: GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

On 18/03/17 05:34, The Kernel wrote:

On 17/03/17 22:10, Nick Lord wrote:

FWIW my get_iplayer 2.99 came from this repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/malcolmlewis:/openSUSE_
General/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/

Is this what you're using?


I too use this
And all is well
Double check your GIP is 2.99 from Malcolm's repo
I would suggest toggling the repo switch on Packman, then on Malcolm's
and apply

See if that helps

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That is exactly the version I have installed.

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GIP 2.99 on openSUSE 42.2

[michael norman]

Running as per the title

Converting video file fails as per this example

Matches:
5569:   imagine...: Summer 2010 - Growing Old Disgracefully, BBC Two, 
b00sz455


INFO: 1 Matching Programmes
INFO: Checking existence of original version
INFO: 
hlshd1,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxsd3,dvfxsd4,hlsvhigh1,hvfxhigh1,hvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,dvfxhigh3,dvfxhigh4,hlsstd1,hlsxstd1,hvflow1,hvflow2,dvflow1,dvflow2,dvflow3,dvflow4 
modes will be tried for version original
INFO: Trying hlshd1 mode to record tv: imagine...: Summer 2010 - 3. 
Growing Old Disgracefully
INFO: File name prefix = 
imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original 

INFO: Begin recording file: 
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.video.ts

INFO: Begin recording at: 0.00 MiB (00:00:00) [1]
INFO: Recorded: 1058.78 MiB (00:59:59) [360] in 00:03:34 at 39.58 
Mibit/s
INFO: Saved HLS video file: 
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
INFO: Begin converting video file: 
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts
open3: exec of /usr/share/ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -y -i 
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.hls.ts 
-c:v copy -c:a copy -bsf:a aac_adtstoasc 
/home/michael1/imagine_Summer_2010_-_3._Growing_Old_Disgracefully_b00sz455_original.partial.mp4 
failed at /usr/bin/get_iplayer line 2075.

michael1@linuxBonds:~>

ffmpeg is here

michael1@linuxBonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz
michael1@linuxBonds:~>

Do I need to adjust my path to ffmpeg, or something else ?

Any suggestions please ?

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Re: BBC Licensing Expose

[michael norman]

On 28/02/17 22:44, Tony Quinn wrote:



On 28/02/2017 22:30, CJB wrote:

I wish I'd never brought the subject up. But what a nasrty hate filled
email I first received from that David person. CJB.


He does come across as a truly vile individuial, it has to be said; but
it's often the case with the deeply "committed" left-leaning types 
You WILL bow down to their groupthink, and any dissent will be treated
with the deepest contempt, and result in you being branded something-ist
(whatever you're accused of being, you can rest assured that it's been
so degraded by misuse, that it's a meaningless label), and they're too
thick to realise that by being continually abusive to those with whom
they disagree, they merely stiffen the resolve of the abusee(s), and
then they are totally shocked by things such as the Brexit vote, and the
election of Donald Trump. How dare the uneducated plebs disagree with
them, with their 2.2 degrees in some poxy humanities discipline from the
polyversity of the central black country (formerly walsall tech).

I've just got in from working, and the revelation that Wikipedia won't
accept information from certain sources because of lack of research,
appears to be one of the biggest cases of pots calling kettles non-white
that I've ever come across. Wikepedia, with its levels of inaccuracy, is
one of the biggest jokes amongst the people that I mix with on a regular
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You are the one parading a political view here, none of your rant has 
anything to do with the issue.  Which was simply that the Mail is anti 
BBC, is discredited as a reliable news source, especially about the BBC.


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Re: BBC Licensing Expose

[michael norman]

On 28/02/17 22:30, CJB wrote:

I wish I'd never brought the subject up. But what a nasrty hate filled
email I first received from that David person. CJB.

On 28/02/2017, Steve B  wrote:

On 27/02/2017 12:34, David Woodhouse wrote:

On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 12:08 +, Tony Quinn wrote:

has content which should be discussed.


It is off-topic for this list, and even if it wasn't, it's not
appropriate to post links to that site.

Find it in credible news media or don't link to it at all.



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If it's in The Telegraph, Is that ok?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/bbc-orders-urgent-investigation-behaviour-tv-licence-fee-collectors/




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Best thing might be not to post links from the Mail which hates the BBC 
to a pro BBC list. As others have said the Mail is not a reliable source 
for anything.


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Re: 2.99 openSuse ffmpeg

[michael norman]

On 14/02/17 13:23, artisticforge . wrote:

hello

what options are current in use?
./get_iplayer --dump-options
or
./get_iplayer --show-options

./get_iplayer --ffmpeg 

I have not used OpenSUSE in years so i do not know where they are putting ffmpeg
the likely places are /usr/bin /usr/local/bin

you could try the commandline
which ffmpeg
to see which ffmpeg it is using

the other commandline
whereis ffmpeg
would return where ffmpeg is found

example
whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg
/usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz /usr/src/ffmpeg-3.1.3/ffmpeg.h
/usr/src/ffmpeg-3.1.3/ffmpeg.c
/usr/src/ffmpeg-3.1.3-64bit-static/ffmpeg

which ffmpeg
/usr/local/bin/ffmpeg

when all else fails try ./get_iplayer --long-help


On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:06 AM, michael norman
<michaeltnor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Running GIP 2.99 in openSUSE 42.2

FFMPEG 3.2-65 is installed but running GIP from cli does not see it so
conversion fails.

How can I get GIP to see ffmpeg ?

M

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I ran whereis ffmpeg

michael1@Bonds:~> whereis ffmpeg
ffmpeg: /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz
michael1@Bonds:~>

so I added the path to my prefs

michael1@Bonds:~> get_iplayer --prefs-add --ffmpeg /usr/bin/ffmpeg 
/usr/share/ffmpeg /usr/share/man/man1/ffmpeg.1.gz


But conversion still failed

INFO: Begin converting video file: 
/home/michael1/The_Papers_-_2017-02-14_b08f3z6f_original.hls.ts

[NULL @ 0xdf9a00] non-existing SPS 0 referenced in buffering period
[NULL @ 0xdf9a00] SPS unavailable in decode_picture_timing
[mp4 @ 0xdfc5e0] dimensions not set
Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters 
?): Invalid argument

INFO: Command exit code 1 (raw code = 256)
WARNING: Conversion failed - retaining video file: 
/home/michael1/The_Papers_-_2017-02-14_b08f3z6f_original.hls.ts


Any thoughts ?

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2.99 openSuse ffmpeg

[michael norman]

Running GIP 2.99 in openSUSE 42.2

FFMPEG 3.2-65 is installed but running GIP from cli does not see it so 
conversion fails.


How can I get GIP to see ffmpeg ?

M

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Re: Issues with Large Files

[michael norman]

Can't solve your problem, but if you have some Linn stuff you don't want 
I might make you an offer.  OT for this list I know.


M

On 01/18/2017 12:50 PM, RS wrote:

From: Budge



Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 13:11

The issue could be that Linn's player doesn't have enough memory to
read the sample tables from the file's MP4 container, so it refuses
to play the file. If >>so, splitting the file or transcoding to FLAC
are probably the best options.



Breaking up the download into acts would be a huge task and one I
cannot contemplate for more than a couple of favourites and with my
RPi working so well the Linn devices may be destined for ebay!


It seems a bit extreme to throw out the amplifier.  At 320kbit/s can you
tell the difference between AAC  and MP3 in a blind comparison?  You can
convert to MP3 after a download fairly effortlessly using a preset as
described here under Option Presets and Shortcuts and then Custom commands.
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/documentation
It takes about 6% of real time.  If MP3 is not acceptable, as suggested
you could convert to FLAC.

If the Linn player moves seamlessly from one file to the next you could
split it into fixed length files of half an hour or an hour.

What I haven't yet understood, both from the problem you have and the
problem I have, is why it is more difficult for a player to play a long
piece in AAC than in other formats.  I thought this was something
segmentation and fragmentation was supposed to deal with, to facilitate
streaming.



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Re: So what does this really mean

[michael norman]

On 16/09/16 20:44, David Cantrell wrote:

On 2016-09-16, 19:16, RS wrote:


I am not convinced by the argument that European copyright licences
would be much more expensive because 38% of the EU population speak
English as an additional language.   People want to watch television in
their mother tongue.  13% of the EU population have English as their
mother tongue, the same as Italian.  For German the figure is 18%.
German broadcasters are very liberal at making their television channels
freely available.  The Italians make SD RA1, RAI2 and RAI3 available
unencrypted.


Have you seen the quality of TV programming in Italian and German? THAT
is why they want English content, and also why their own content is not
worth protecting.

At the risk of being told some people don't want to live in the country 
as me, exactly what does this have to do with GIP even tangentially ?  I 
thought we were discussing access to BBC content ?


Are we not OT with this ?

I just ask.

M

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Re: So what does this really mean

[michael norman]

Rites ? What ? Rights surely.

Strikes me all the BBC is trying to do is make sure, on trust, that 
those who access its content pay for it.


The BBC pays for rights to its programming same as any other broadcaster 
does one way or another, that has to be paid for.  Worldwide rights are 
not available in any universe I can think of.


I find your idea of all these expats who would pay for the BBC or 
anything else quite risible.  These are the same people who have left UK 
to avoid paying irritating things like taxes and BBC licence fees.


M

On 16/09/16 15:39, Dave Widgery wrote:

I realise that there is are rites issues and it is not just the BBC or tv, they 
tried region coding dvds it doesn't work, with gobal movement of people the 
whole rites thing needs a rethink.

But none the less I am sure some accommodation could be included in the rites 
to allow nationals of the country that have been granted the rites to have 
access to the programming even if they currently aren't in the territory of the 
county in question at the time.

On 16 September 2016 16:11:12 CEST, Dave Liquorice  wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:51:00 +0200, Dave Widgery wrote:


Whatever blocks the bbc and other broadcasters put there will always

be a

way past the system,  so why not accept this and look at ways to

increase

revenue from the millions of British people who would quite happily
contribute but forced to find ways around the system if they want

quality

tv.


One word "rights".

I wonder how much the BBC would have to spend to get worldwide rights
on all
their content? Assuming the worldwide rights are available in the first

place.

I wonder how much the BBC would have to pay in rights violations if
they
didn't get worldwide rights?





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Re: License question

[michael norman]

On 03/09/16 13:32, Jim web wrote:

In article

Re: License question

[michael norman]

On 03/09/16 10:11, Jonathan H wrote:

I don't think you'll see a better summary of the situation than this.
And yes, I realise the irony of copying and pasting an entire
advertising-funded page, but when the advert covers the entire page
and makes the article unreadable then I think it's fair use! (see
http://tinypic.com/r/15fxxf/9 )

Original article here:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/bbc-closes-loophole-for-whiny-freeloaders-20160902113219
(warning: contains a swear which I've starred out here in case the
list rejects is)

PEOPLE with an absurd sense of entitlement will no longer be able to
watch BBC iPlayer for free, the broadcaster has confirmed.

The broadcaster closed the loophole, which allowed people access to
billions of pounds worth of entertainment for free, yesterday after a
high-level decision that those people could go f**k themselves.

Craft beer ambassador Tom Booker said: “I don’t own a television, I
don’t have a television aerial on the chimney of my house, I don’t
even have a house. I’m contemporary.

“So when I’m watching Bake-Off ironically on my MacBook I shouldn’t be
liable for any licence fee, because what I am doing is completely
different and cooler.

“YouTube’s free, and I don’t see the distinction between high-quality
content by a broadcasting organisation which is the envy of the world
and blurred smartphone footage of teenagers punching each other’s
groins.

“Where does this end? Paying for music?”

A BBC spokesman said: “We’ve got Attenborough, you whiny bitches, so pay up.”

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I think I'll find out where Craft Beer contemporary man brews his beer 
and arrange to syphon off some of his beer and drink it for nothing, in 
my hipster tree house, safe in the knowledge that I am being really 
cool.  If not paying for content paid for by others is acceptable then 
"all property is theft" including his beer.


Unless I missed the irony and they made him up.  I fear not.

You Tube is only "free" in the sense that you don't have to pay upfront, 
it makes its money by selling your data, and not paying very much for 
the professionally produced content it does carry.


Try watching Netflix, Amazon et al for nothing

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Re: License question

[michael norman]

On 02/09/16 18:24, artisticforge . wrote:

Hello

Yes, not many people read Robert A. Heinlein these days.
I still find people who do not grok TANSTAAFL.
What is more amazing is that there are people who honestly believe
that there is such a thing as "Free Lunch".
I am a firm believer in TANSTAAFL.

Concerning the Beeb, if I had to pay a £1.00 GPB per day everyday of
the year, I would still consider it a great value.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 8:18 AM, John Bingham  wrote:



My second paragraph was a comment on a general problem in our society:
people wanting something for nothing.




Never heard of him either, just looked him up.  Whether he was the first 
to deny the existence of a free lunch I have no idea, its always struck 
me that the principle is obvious, in this and other contexts the artist 
has to be paid.


The ironic thing here for me is that all the BBC is doing is asking 
people to declare whether they are using iPlayer without paying for it . 
If you feel happy using something you don't pay for that's on your 
conscience. As far as I know the BBC  don't have the means to enforce 
payment for using iPlayer if you only use it on a non tv


The licence fee is cheap.

M

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Re: Update: Progress and puzzles

[michael norman]

Jim

I have no idea if this helps but I've just installed gip 2.96 and the 
latest FFMPEG on Linux Mint 17.3 (from the PPA's)


Trying both the Dads Army Episode and the Gergieve prom with in the 
latter case get-iplayer --get 210 tvmode=hlssstd1 I get it in hfdhd1 
which works fine here in VLC as as mp4 file. Trying hlshd1 fails.  FWIW 
I am quite happy with hfdhd1, I don't know why hls is or might be 
better, is it something to do with the sound bitrate ?


Mike

On 22/08/16 09:36, Jim web wrote:

This morning I could not get either the hls *or* 'flash' fetching to work
correctly (Still with gip 2.95 as yet.). I can't recall the pids but one
example was the Dad's Army from yesterday.

hvfhd worked fine for the sectional files of the Gergiev prom.

I have go do something else this morning but this prompts me to ask if
others are:

A) Still having missing segments from hls

B) now also having trouble with ye olde flash.

If I don't get an email this morning I'll try nudging the elbow of someone
at the BBC above these issues. My impression is that there are still
problems, but I've been focussing on getting Proms by means that seem OK.

Jim




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Re: Is this list redundant?

[michael norman]

On 16/05/16 20:14, Jon Davies wrote:

On 16 May 2016 at 19:32, David Woodhouse  wrote:

Is there still a benefit to having this list at all? Would we be better
off shutting it down entirely?


while there's some rubbish on this list, there are still valid support
questions being raised and an email list suits some people better than
others. (There's spam on the forums as well... and for me I find it
easier to filter out in email...)


Likewise the git repository on git.infradead.org — if development is
happening on github, there's no point in just mirroring it here, is
there?


that one I can't make an argument for keeping.  the repo over on
github seems to be the source of everything nowadays (and I confess I
changed the ubuntu build scripts to pull from there some time ago).  I
wouldn't cry if the infradead copy disappeared.


I was happy to provide services (and even try to learn a bit of
perl) when Phil Lewis bowed out, but it now seems that there's a fairly
capable community around it and it's not clear what benefit I continue
to provide...


whatever is or isn't going on now, the contribution you've made to
get-iplayer by hosting it, particularly the speed with which you
picked it up after Phil Lewis stopped, is definitely appreciated.
Thank you for your support to the project over the years, and long may
it continue :-)

Thanks
Jon

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+1 to that, especially the last paragraph.

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Re: 320kbps radio audio available via MPEG-DASH

[michael norman]

On 31/12/15 09:19, Jim web wrote:

In article <56848c79.2030...@jls-radio.com>, James Scholes
 wrote:


I've been investigating the BBC's offerings that they're making
available via MPEG-DASH today, specifically for radio content.  It
appears that audio is available in 320kbps AAC for most radio programs
(possibly all but I wouldn't want to claim such).  The files aren't
DRM-protected, can be grabbed over HTTP, and joined together using
ffmpeg.


May be worth my adding:

When I was talking to some people at the BBC months ago to write about the
then-new "Audio Factory" changes they told me that the end-aim was to
provide 320k aac streams for all the 'UK' radio stations - i.e. radios
1,2,3,4, etc. Thus ending the situation where radio 3 got special
treatment. ('Local' and 'Regional' stations may remain at at lower standard
as they are handled slightly differently.)

 From what you say it looks like that has come to fruition. :-)

So if gip can exploit ffmpeg and mpeg-dash as suggested it may be a very
useful development that I'd certainly welcome.

Jim

Is there a way of keeping track of progress on this, either from BBC or 
gip updates ?


Mike

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Re: Download your favourite BBC golden oldies for just £1.89

[michael norman]

On 05/11/15 10:57, Paul Turvey wrote:

Oh well, not for me at the moment


BBC Store Downloader only works on Windows and Mac computers right
now. Support for downloading on mobile and tablet devices is coming soon.

If you don't want to stream, downloading requires a Silverlight-based
downloader. That excludes Linux (Novell Moonlight really doesn't work)
and other devices.

Paul

You could try Pipelight which provides a Silverlight plugin for Firefox. 
 I've used it in the past on openSUSE and Linux Mint to access Netflix. 
 I have no idea whether it is any use with the BBC arrangement.


http://pipelight.net/cms/installation.html

M


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Re: BBC iPlayer cracks down and blocks VPN users

[michael norman]

On 09/10/15 11:33, George Eycott wrote:

Although get_iplayer is not intended to bypass geographical restrictions,
the news does explain why some people are getting the error messages that
they have been seeing (bear in mind some people may be using a VPN from
within the UK). They may have thought it was a get_iplayer issue whereas in
fact it isn't, I see it as a helpful bit of information myself... It is far
more on topic than some of the emails that have been sent through here about
web design!


So the point here is what. I pay the BBC license fee and am happy to do so.

If people outside of UK who do not pay the license fee are getting BBC 
content for nothing via a VPN or anything else they are stealing stuff I 
pay for.


The BBC and all who support it are right to take action to preserve the 
service for those who pay for it. There are enough threats to the BBC as 
it is.


If using a VPN in UK is blocking GIP or iPlayer or anything else surely 
the solution is in the configuration of the VPN ?


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Re: Format of BBC Radio 4 .m4a files

[michael norman]

On 11/09/15 18:37, Jim web wrote:

In article
, Jon
Davies  wrote:

On 9 September 2015 at 12:28, Jim web  wrote:

Why not flac?



because as others have pointed out, the raw data downloaded from the bbc
is aac.  you can't improve the quality by removing compression,


I can't recall saying otherwise.


all this will do is occupy more space on your disk.  All get_iplayer
does by default is re-package the (unchanged) aac data in an mp4 file.


Yes. For the avoidance of doubt I should add that I did know that. :-)


If you ask get_iplayer for mp3 then whether it was built to transcode
directly from the original aac or via flac would make no difference
whatsoever.


I think you've misunderstood the point of my question. Alas you've
also now removed the context so I have to add it back in the following..

If your player can't play the mp4a and you *need* to transcode the basic
choice is simple. You either:

A) transcode to some other 'lossy' format like mp3. This will be almost
certain to lose details.

or

B) transcoder to a loss-free format like flac (or lpcm wave). This can be
done with *no* loss of details.

You've now snipped the context which was that mp4a wasn't playable on the
player. That's the basis of the discussion.

So, because "leave it as mp4a" is taken not to be a useful option by the
conditions of the situation, the above choice may be unavoidable in the
circumstances. OTOH if you *can* play mp4a then obviously no transcoding is
necessary (except during replay).

So the point of my question was to find out if there was a reason why, *in
this situation where mp4a won't play*, you can't (or don't wish to) choose
flac. (B) allows the user to avoid more loss, not wave a wand to recover
what wasn't present in the mp4a.

Jim

If you have mp4a files which will not play on a chosen device then you 
need to either find a device that will play them or save them and 
transcode them into a format your existing device will play them. 
Obviously if you transcode from one lossy format to another you will 
alter the original to its detriment.  As Jim says transcoding to flac 
will result in a bigger file, but will not throw anything away. 
Personal music players that will play anything are not hard to find.


My favorite is this

http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/MP3_Players.1/Cowon.609/COWONi9PLUS-16GB/Cowon_i9_Plus_16GB_MP3_Player_-_BLACK.14200.html

Expensive ? perhaps, depends what you want. One thing it does do is play 
mp4a radio progs, I know I just tried it.


M


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Re: pop art

[michael norman]

On 09/02/2015 06:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 05:12:58PM +0100, C E Macfarlane wrote:


Yes, for example, for security reasons, and a number of mobile browsers do
not support JavaScript:
http://quirksmode.org/m/table.html


Name one that is commonly used by consumers in the UK.


 And if you have deliberately turned it off (either by configuration or
 by using some hopelessly crippled browser that doesn't implement it),
 then that's your choice.

As above, it may actually have been the platform manufacturer's choice.


True. But then you chose a crippled platform instead of just a crippled
browser.


The BBC can't take account of every possible weird thing that users do.

They can very easily ensure that their content loads on as many different
devices as possible by ensuring that their content is as simple as possible.


Perhaps they should send you the shooting script instead of letting you
watch Dr Who on iPlayer then.


:-( Do not use JS, PHP, etc to edit content according to the 
platform
making the request, rather keep the content simple enough to load properly
on any platform.


Trouble is that means that you're dumbing your application down to the
lowest common denominator. I'm sure that the handful of people using
Acorns and Amigas and WAP browsers on their Nokia 8110s will be
grateful, but the overwhelming majority will just be pissed off that
you've delivered something that is so horribly backward compared to the
much better experience they get from everywhere else.


You might as well complain that you can't
watch the TV because you chose to glue some socks to the screen.

It is not what the user may be doing wrong that is under discussion here,
but what the BBC is doing wrong.  See below ...


No, it really is the user choosing to limit their experience.


I presume you would agree that it is a Good Thing to try to send
appropriate stuff to the various different platforms?


NO!!!  NO!!!  NO!!!  That is the WHOLE POINT!!!  It's a BAD, BAD, BAD thing
to try to send appropriate content to different platforms!!!  That way lies
an insane and bloody mess and a site maintenance nightmare!!!


Not really, not if you do it carefully.


You need to read up about Object-Orientating-Programming (OOP) in general
and Model-View-Controller (MVC) in particular, both of which are key
concepts to good GUI design.


Yes dear. Do you also give your grandmother egg-sucking lessons?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/a-z
http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/TerrestrialTV/TerrestrialCalcu
lator.php

The BBC Programmes A-Z page previously linked comes out at 0.02, while the
most complicated page on my own site, which calculates from user input which
direction to point a TV aerial, and draws maps of and a vertical terrain
profile along the resulting signal path, comes out at 0.16.  This is a
massive difference, the more so when you consider that, unlike my own page
which works very hard for its living, the BBC page's content is essentially
static, it never needs to change!


One of those works well on my phone and quickly gets me the information
I want, the other is an ugly mess that requires all kinds of scrolling
up and down and left and right. So much for your GUI design skills. It's
almost as if the BBC's one was intended to work well across multiple
platforms and had some thought put into the design, and you just didn't
give a toss.

Perhaps you're the one who needs to go and read about OOP etc, although
personally speaking I don't find my in-depth knowledge to be much use
when it comes to GUIs. Far better IME to out-source the work to someone
who knows GUI design and implementation.


Fascinating as all of this might be how does it relate to GIP ?

M

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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/07/2015 04:08 PM, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:52:02 +0100, Graham Temple \(gmail\) wrote:


TV should not be funded by a licence fee, but by direct grant from the
government, funded by general taxation.


Good grief we then effectively have a state controlled broadcaster. Is that
what you really want? The licence may be flawed but it keeps the government
at arms length from the BBC.

Assuming as I do, the licence fee is the best way to fund the bbc how 
can we solve the iplayer problem ?


Mike

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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/07/2015 12:31 PM, Graham Temple (gmail) wrote:

Yes but what about people who never ever watch TV at all.  There are some,
believe it or not - my parents for instance.  They have computers and
internet, but why should they pay a charge for something they will never
use, just because they have some equipment (whose primary purpose is not for
accessing TV!) which theoretically could access on demand content.  How will
you differentiate between those who don't and those who say they don't?  It
is like saying you own a car and live in London so will probably use the
Dartford crossing and enter the congestion zone, so we are going to add £50
a year to your road fund licence and do away with the congestion charges and
tolls.


That's the problem.  There are many people mostly I guess a bit younger 
than your parents who don't watch live tv or even want to do so.  What 
do they watch ?  Netflix Amazon tv (to give two examples amongst many) 
both of which they have to pay for and if you compare the price of those 
two is rather more than the BBC license fee.  If they want free as in 
not paying for it then there is Youtube.


I don't know how anybody might remodel the licence fee to cover that. 
Not least because its impossible to know the numbers involved. 
Personally I am quite happy to pay £12 a month for the BBC content.  Its 
the biggest bargain in the world, whether I choose to access it from a 
tv a pc or any other device.


Which is why Murdoch et al want it hobbled and ultimately destroyed.

Mike


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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/07/2015 01:17 PM, Owen Smith wrote:

I have no children so don't use schools, but I still pay for them and am happy 
to do so. I regard the BBC as being on the same footing, everyone in the UK 
should pay for it.


I think that's called civilization and society.

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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/07/2015 01:39 PM, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:06:38 +0100, michael norman wrote:


Yes but what about people who never ever watch TV at all.  There are
some, believe it or not - my parents for instance.  They have computers
and internet, but why should they pay a charge for something they will
never use,


That is a problem but sort of worked around if you call it a Media Licence
that is it gives the household the ability to legally view any media from
any source. Be that Netflix, 4OD, YouTube or, at the extreme, the
graphics/still images that make up a web page.


Yes I have bt youview  which includes all the catch up stuff I have a 
Netflix account anyway but would have to pay for it if I wanted to watch 
it on Youview  So leaving to one side the licence fee I'm paying for the 
BT tv package and didn't want BBC content ? What then ?




Just get the ISPs to report those customers that access media sites? Or
just extend the current regulations relating to copyright infringement.



What, after ISPs have been asked to give up all their data to spooks 
already ?  Current regulations about copyright and intellectual property 
are a mess.  Most if not all were designed before digital happened.  The 
only people who will make money out of any of that are Lawyers. 
Politicians don't have a clue.


Mike





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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/06/2015 12:08 PM, Jim web wrote:

In article
CANGN4UPV=DTYdAwn=_crsnpakuqf+z6lfb87yjk69qywby-...@mail.gmail.com,
Shevek she...@shevek.co.uk wrote:

Some more analysis:



http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7034-will-budget-result-in-having-to-pay-for-bbc-iplayer.html


Personally, I'm happy to pay for iplayer access. Although I'd *prefer* that
to be done via an extension (in legal terms) to requiring you buy a 'TV
license'. So either covered by the UK license, and/or offerring a 'BBC
iplayer license' for those outside the UK. The BBC needs to be funded to
make the programmes, etc.

The worry is if any system is limited in a way I'd find unreasonable. e.g.
Only providing access by using a method that *only* works for a limited set
of OSs like Windows/Mac. i.e. excluding the choice of Linux or other
'minority' preferences. Similar for anything that limits choice of software
to some 'approved' closed source items on a magic list.

And of course, radio doesn't require a license as things stand, even in the
UK.

Jim


Jim

A wider view perhaps from The Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/05/bbc-cuts-job-losses-revenue-shortfall

What happens to the BBC now will be interesting now the vandals are 
getting their hands on it.  I hope Hewlett is right that the BBC can 
find a way to limit the damage.


In the context of iPlayer I'd be happy to pay for it, but I am anyway. 
The issue is how do you make others who don't buy a tv licence pay for 
it too.  Nobody knows how many such people there might be.  The BBC 
solution would obviously be to expand the terms of the tv licence to 
cover such people.  I don't think that is going to happen, So that would 
leave, if iPlayer continues to a subscription service, which again would 
be the start of death of the BBC licence fee,  And you get another 
limited platform service like Netflix, which would probably lead to its 
privatisation to compete in the market.


Enjoy it while you can.

Mike





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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

Rather than promote conspiracy theories about non doms and media owners.
direct your ire at the one eyed Scotch loon and his party who bribed
electors with taxpayers' money.


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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/06/2015 09:13 PM, TQ wrote:




On 06 July 2015 at 21:04 michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com
wrote:


Rather than promote conspiracy theories about non doms and media
owners.
direct your ire at the one eyed Scotch loon and his party who bribed
electors with taxpayers' money.


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But just asking who the one eyed Scotch loon might be ?


Mad Jock McBroon - the man who was so deluded that he claimed to have
abolished boom and bust

Ok Gordon Brown.  Forgive me but how does this help us with the present 
attitude of our rulers towards the BBC.  All I said was that they are 
ideologically opposed to public service, thats not a conspiracy theory 
its what they are doing and intend to do.  Defending and advancing the 
interests of media owners who are mainly non doms.  All of which is a 
matter of public record.


Osbourne has made it quite plain what his agenda is, most recently on 
the Andrew Marr show on BBC last Sunday. On the public record.


Mike

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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

On 07/06/2015 09:47 PM, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

Can we please keep party politics off the list? I could quite happily
bore everyone senseless with my political rants but I'm sure you
wouldn't want that!

Alan

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If that’s directed at me two points :

I was trying to make the point about the political threat the BBC faces 
in the context of this list the threat to iPlayer.  I don't see how you 
can separate that from a political discussion. Whether that is beyond 
the scope of this list, I don't know.


Given that the subject of the future of iPlayer was raised here I tried 
to add a political context.  What I did not do is declare any support 
for any party. I am a member of none. My political beliefs are mine and 
are nothing to do with this list.


Mike

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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[michael norman]

Mike


Some real anti-BBC comments being posted on the forums. While I think
the BBC can be pretty arrogant as an organisation (for example when
dealing with complaints) I'm a great supporter of PBS broadcasting and I
think the range and quality of programmes produced by the Corporation is
just astounding, especially when compared to some of the dross put out
by the Commercial channels. Having spent a fair bit of time abroad in
recent years, I've not come across a broadcaster which can even come
close to rivalling the BBC whether it's radio or TV. I've never had any
dealings with the BBC other than as a viewer so I cannot comment on
whether it's top-heavy with management, etc.

For me, the licence fee is excellent value for money - not a day goes by
without me referring to the BBC website, reading news etc, ditto
listening to radio and viewing TV.  And the iPlayer is now providing the
type of TV I dreamed about 20 years ago (knocking spots off ITV's
offering) and, of course, get_iplayer is an invaluable bolt-on. I do
think the loophole that allows viewers to watch TV output online (as
long as it's not live) does need to be plugged. I'm more than happy to
pay the licence fee and would hate any move towards subscriptions fees
whether it's for TV or iPlayer access, equally I would be against any
move to make any of the BBC channels to carry commercials.

Alan


Agreed, fortunately without having had to experience being abroad 
without the BBC.


The crucial point I was trying to make in the context of this list was 
and is how does the bbc plug what they perceive as the iPlayer gap.  Its 
ironic that iPlayer is streets ahead technically of all the other catch 
up services, particularly ITVs offering, aside from anything about 
quality content the BBC started the whole thing and have made it work.


What happens next ? I don't know, I fear the worst.

Mike


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Re: Linux Mint woes

[michael norman]

Who knows ? Because you want Linux to be like Windows ? What is your 
struggle, with what distro exactly. I use openSUSE but i have run GIP on 
that and LinuxMint with no problems. Updating GIP on either simply 
works.  Last time I looked the instructions (squarepenguin or github) 
are easy enough to follow.  I know I've done it enough times.


Last time I did it on LinuxMint you find the up to date package and 
follow the instructions, but unless you tell us where you found the 
package and what steps  you did to install it neither I nor anybody else 
can help you. If you find a useable package, install it with the Linux 
Mint package manager it will work.  Assuming your LM installation 
(whatever partition its on) works and you know how to use it.


M

On 07/01/2015 02:17 PM, Alan Milewczyk wrote:

I'd love to like Linux but why is it such a struggle

Running a dual boot Win 7 x64/Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca 64 bit system and
previously installed get_iplayer v2.92 on the Linux partition. It's
Wimbledon, the season of humungous file sizes so I turn to Linux to do
the honours without burping on the large files.. so I try to install
GiP v2.94. It finally works (after I've ripped out what little I have
left of my hair)... until I boot up today and find the system is on
v2.92 ???

Can someone please explain in monosyllabic step by step terms what I
need to do to update to v2.94 please?

I'm losing the will to live :-(

Thanks


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Fwd: Re: Linux Mint woes

[michael norman]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Linux Mint woes
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:03:39 +0100
From: michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com
To: Colin Law clan...@gmail.com



On 07/01/2015 02:34 PM, Colin Law wrote:

On 1 July 2015 at 14:17, Alan Milewczyk a...@soulman1949.com wrote:

I'd love to like Linux but why is it such a struggle

Running a dual boot Win 7 x64/Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca 64 bit system and
previously installed get_iplayer v2.92 on the Linux partition. It's
Wimbledon, the season of humungous file sizes so I turn to Linux to do the
honours without burping on the large files.. so I try to install GiP
v2.94. It finally works (after I've ripped out what little I have left of my
hair)... until I boot up today and find the system is on v2.92 ???

Can someone please explain in monosyllabic step by step terms what I need to
do to update to v2.94 please?


https://squarepenguin.co.uk/wiki/installation/ubuntu/

Works here.

M







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Re: My bat_iplayer script now has a problem.

[michael norman]

FWIW as a BBC 'outsider', whenever I've spoken to current BBC people their
view seems to be that they aren't 'hostile' to gip and its use. Their
concern is to develop and improve the iplayer. Circumstances mean that part
of the improvement has to be to make it easier and more efficient to
operate by the BBC in the future.

Hence my current understanding is that they have no objective to 'stop
gip', etc.

All my impression, though. For all I know, the DG has a sign on his desk
saying I hate gip even more than I hate the government 8-]

Jim


Conspiracy theories are fun.  I suspect that GIP is at most a flea on a 
the elephants backside for the BBC. If even that.


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Re: Sampling frequency on Radio programmes - Taking it off topic

[michael norman]

I am not so forgiving.  It sounded like good-old-fashioned-British arrogance
to me!

The point is that by removing clicks, rumble, etc he is merely restoring the
recording to as pristine condition as can reasonably be done given that the
original recording is damaged by such artifacts and is no longer actually in
said pristine condition.  By changing the sound of the piano, he is going
beyond mere restoration and actually putting something into the recording
that was never there in the first place.  Absolutely he should NOT be doing
this.  He may think that he's merely making up for the less advanced
recording technology of earlier times, but the punters of those times
accepted that technology at face value and enjoyed it nevertheless, and a
modern listener who wishes to explore old original recordings would expect
to do likewise, not find themselves actually exploring what has been
artificially injected into a recording by modern technology.  What would be
the point of that?  If you must have a modern sound, why not buy a modern
recording?

It's tampering with the historical record (here I mean 'record' in the
'written history' sense).

I get a sense that some people who use digital technology rapidly get a sort
of megalomania where, because it's so easy, they fiddle-faddle and tweak
everything under the sun, regardless of actual benefit or otherwise so
derived.  It's the same sort of arrogance that (being at my most generous)
removed all the master tape hiss from some early Fleetwood Mac CDs, but in
so doing left us with a gutted sound that was inferior to the original LPs.
It's the same sort of arrogance that feels the need to insert the sound of a
buzzard over the soundtrack of a natural history scene, even though there's
no buzzard in sight, or, even worse, the scene is of a different bird of
prey which makes a different noise.  After all it's so easy, you don't have
to make the camera crew go back out there to refilm the scene to suit the
editor's lack of taste, by merely pressing some buttons he can ruin a
perfectly decent shot entirely on his own at little or no extra expense to
the company.

Regards, Charles.

www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html


I couldn’t agree more.

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Re: Sampling frequency on Radio programmes - Taking it off topic

[michael norman]

On 27/04/15 09:25, Jim web wrote:

In article
CA+L9Mav+WTCNAAL+d6RVJ7+cT+ndXg3V4F+=xaobvqz6gzj...@mail.gmail.com,
Kevin Lynch klyn...@gmail.com wrote:

Although this discussion is largely closed I just wanted to draw
attention to  this show on R4 that investigates the whole art of
remastering http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s3h40 I have not listened
to it yet but it's in my queue


Stretching the OT just a bit further...

Its an interesting programme. But for some strange reason it seems to
overlook the cases where a recording may have been 'remastered' to bypass
flaws in the earlier 'versions'. ;- You can see one or two examples of
what I mean at

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/HealthCheck/CD.html

...and alas I've also found a recent BBC Music Magazine cover CD with such
flaws. So, alas, the game isn't over.

Jim

I'll only trust remastering if the people who do it define what their 
source is, if its digital exactly what bitrate etc, what their mastering 
chain is and more pertinently what they are trying to achieve by 
remastering in the first place, and what if anything they have sought to 
improve.  Without that information debate is pointless.


Disclaimer : I have not heard the programme so I don't know whether 
those sort of issues were raised.


Mike

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Re: Sampling frequency on Radio programmes - Taking it off topic

[michael norman]

On 20/04/15 14:16, Kevin Lynch wrote:

When people talk about music/audio quality there can be a tendency
towards group think. I just wanted to open up the discussion to the
other more subtle, subjective. parameters of quality and how they are
lost in the musician to consumer (mass market) production process .
We are all in agreement here really :).
Kevin


Kevin

Quite so.  Is it something we should be discussing here though ?

Just asking

Mike


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Re: Requests For Features

[michael norman]

On 17/04/15 12:31, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:31:36AM +0100, Peter S Kirk wrote:


My hope is that some day ITV, C4 and C5 see the light and realise that all
the obstacles they erect have no effect on preventing leaks, but only annoy
and inconvenience UK residents.


But they don't inconvenience UK residents in general. They inconvenience
a tiny number of geeks, who, to be blunt, they don't care about because
they tend not to be the sort of people that their advertisers (that is,
the people who are ITV/C4/C5's customers) care about.

Normal people either enslave themselves to the TV schedule, or record
stuff on whatever the modern equivalent of a VCR is, or they don't care
what they watch they just want to stare vacantly all day at the shiny
box in the corner of the room. People like you and me who are
discriminating in our viewing choices, refuse to enslave ourselves to a
broadcaster's schedule, and want to download stuff instead of recording
it are really not at all important to them.

That may change in the future, of course, and when their incentives
change then I expect their behaviour to change too.


Why are we having this discussion on this list ?

BBC makes iplayer content we can use GIP to access that.

Commercial tv companies will never do that.  The only people that 
inconveniences are those who want to access their content for nothing.


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Re: Recent spam surge...

[michael norman]

On 08/04/15 15:52, Steven Carr wrote:

On 8 April 2015 at 13:31, tellyaddict tellyaddic...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

The thing is though you don't actually have to be subscribed to the list to 
post to it. Anyone with an email address can post to the list. You only need to 
subscribe if you want the emails from the list to be sent to you. Some people 
might follow through the archives rather than subscribing but they can still 
contribute either way.


That's not how mailing lists generally work and if this one is setup
like that it needs to be changed. You should only be able to post to
the list if you are a member of the list.

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Re: Pay for driving on toll road, invoice #00660545

[michael norman]

On 04/04/15 13:53, Terry L. Ridder wrote:

Hello

Next someone will tell me I was caught speeding in my wheelchair. ;-)

Sent from my iPad
terry l. ridder 

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I got this too.

Is this list compromised ?

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Re: radio sample rates.

[michael norman]

On 16/03/15 14:33, Jim web wrote:



I'll try to find out if that's still the case. I've ended up deciding to
try and write a potted 'technical history' of the iplayer development. So
I'll take this elsewhere as not 'on topic' for this list unless people are
interested.

Jim


Jim

I'd be in interested in your technical history of iplayer as and when.

Where you end up putting it is up to you and others, might be as you say 
a bit off topic here.


Mike

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Re: Live TV pining for the fjords

[michael norman]

On 09/11/14 10:27, Jim Lesurf wrote:




For the moment I'm occupied with fixing things still broken by the loss
of the programme feeds, but HDS is a can of worms that will have to be
opened eventually.  The BBC have already declared they are moving to HDS
for AOD in 2015.  If they are going to use the switch to bring in DRM (a
la C4), then it's game over for get_iplayer (except for podcasts).  If
anyone sees any news about their DRM plans, please post.


FWIW I've just written an 'opinion' column for Hi Fi News magazine about
the way the BBC dropped the feeds and raising the general issue of - in
effect - who the BBC should have in mind when making changes, etc. I've
asked readers to comment on their experience and wishes in the matter. In
particular I'm wondering how these changes may hit people with some 'smart'
devices or special groups like those with eyesight problems who aren't
aware of why something has 'stopped working'.

However the publication cycle of HFN is 3-4 months, so don't expect to see
the column soon.

Jim


Jim

Have you put it on your own website ? I have that bookmarked great stuff 
btw.


If so might be worth posting that link here.

A lot will happen in 3-4 months.

Mike

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Re: Live TV pining for the fjords

[michael norman]

On 09/11/14 13:01, Jim Lesurf wrote:

In article 545f5658.3030...@gmail.com, michael norman
michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:

On 09/11/14 10:27, Jim Lesurf wrote:




FWIW I've just written an 'opinion' column for Hi Fi News magazine
about the way the BBC dropped the feeds and raising the general issue




Have you put it on your own website ?


No/not yet. Alas, complicated situation due to the good old 'rights' issue.
:-/

The arrangement I have with them is that they publish my monthly column and
an occasional 'feature'. But on the basis that they have 'first publication
rights, and then non-exclusive' for any writing that goes into the
magazine. Its as close as I can get to free/open with a commercial consumer
mag of this kind.

*After* a delay (typically six months or more) I can put it on the web
because it now won't interfere with selling the relevant issue. They can
also reprint it if they wish. But this means I have to avoid treading on
their toes before magazine publication. Wouldn't be fair to sell it to
them, then let all potential magazine buyers read it free somewhere else
first.

For some topics I can/may write a much longer item for the website covering
the same ground. Sometimes I can then put that up *before* the column in
the mag and reference readers to it. The justification is a mix of 'too
long for the mag' and 'too technical and will deter/annoy the less clued up
readers'.

So something longer than the column may appear on the web. But can't say
what or when. I don't know enough of the detailed technical background to
the recent 'feeds' kerfuffle anyway at present to say much about that. That
said, at present two other topics are competing for top-of-the-list as a
long web item.

FWIW I know one or two people at the BBC so may try to find out something.
But if so I can't say who, or exactly what they said without their specific
agreement. Wouldn't be fair on them, and would lose me the ability to have
them talk to me or co-operate on some things.



I have that bookmarked great stuff
btw.



If so might be worth posting that link here.



A lot will happen in 3-4 months.


If anyone knows what, when, please say. :-)

FWIW sometimes items can be put in as 'news'. But alas the long production
cycle of the mag tends to mean they are 'old news' by the time the print
mag appears. I'd love the mag to have their own list, but no-one is
interested there as they're over-busy anyway!

BTW wrt mag rights. I did once almost have something in the 'linux format'
magazine. (User guide to ALSA.) The editor liked the item and wanted to
publish it. But his publishers insisted on 'all rights, exclusive'. i.e. I
could never publish it on the web or elsewhere. I declined as most people
lose access to printed mags once 99% of the issues are landfill. Put it on
the web instead. Fortunately, I don't write for a living, so can choose to
do so. I write because I'm interested in something and hope/think others
may also be interested.

That shows that although it may seem resitrictive, HFN have been pretty
decent compared to many mags.

Jim



Jim

I suspected when I asked the question that your relationship with HFN 
might be as you describe.


Bit OT here but I used to get all the printed Hi Fi Mags back in the 
day, but like everybody else I just read such things online.  A complete 
other discussion not appropriate here but I'd put in a personal plug for 
Stereophile on line.


My problem in the context of this debate is that you appear to have 
something to say and I and others can't read it.


Mike


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Re: BBC Archive Blues Collections

[michael norman]

On 21/02/14 11:45, dinkypumpkin wrote:

On 19/02/2014 14:10, michael norman wrote:

To be specific I would like to find the pids for the programmes here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p01m79bn/blues

and download them either individually or as a batch


There are some things you can download as a batch, but not these.  That
page links to a number of episodes from different series, thus the
/collections/ in the URL.  Use Ben's handy spreadsheet to scrape the
PIDs and download them directly.  You can't download those 11 programmes
as a batch because they are not part of a series.  They just happen to
be linked from the same page, and get_iplayer doesn't have the ability
to scrape arbitrary links from a page.

If you want to download a series as a batch, find the PID from its
series home page.  For example, Devil's Blues Series 2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00ljwxp

Then use --pid-recursive:

get_iplayer --pid=p00ljwxp --pid-recursive

The XML::Simple Perl module is required for --pid-recursive.  If you're
on OSX or Windows, you should have it installed.  If you're on
Linux/Unix, you may not.  get_iplayer will warn you if you don't.  If
not installed see:

https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/manual#wiki-manual-perl

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That is most helpful Thank you.

In this instance as I posted already Ben's spreadsheet enabled me to get 
all the programmes individually and they play fine.


I will bear in mind your info about downloading a series as a batch, not 
something I imagine wanting to do in the future but helpful to know anyway.


Michael

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BBC Archive Blues Collections

[michael norman]

I would like to use GiP to download these programmes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p01m79bn/blues

But I am not sure how to do it I have tried a few searches without 
success, can somebody advise please ?


Using CLI on Linux.

Thanks

Michael

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Re: BBC Archive Blues Collections

[michael norman]

On 19/02/14 13:04, Don Grunbaum wrote:




I would like to use GiP to download these programmes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p01m79bn/blues

But I am not sure how to do it I have tried a few searches without
success, can somebody advise please ?

Using CLI on Linux.

Thanks

Michael



Surely the simplest way would be to use the pid for each programme?

HTH

Don

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Don

Forgive me but I have never tried that hitherto, can you point me to 
docs on the subject please ?


Thanks

Michael

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Re: BBC Archive Blues Collections

[michael norman]

On 19/02/14 13:55, Don Grunbaum wrote:




Recording fine here. You realise that the third character is the letter
l, not the number 1, don't you?

Don


Don

What command did you use to do that ?

Michael


get_iplayer --type=tv --pid=p00lk4rq

(Yes, it's the 4th character of the pid that is l)

I don't think the --type=tv is strictly necessary, but I usually use it.

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Don

Thanks that works here for one programme of a series of four.  What is 
not clear to me is how to find out what the pid is for a particular 
programme or series of programmes. I have looked at the various 
instructions for downloading pids while we have been having this 
exchange and tried a few options without success thus far.


To be specific I would like to find the pids for the programmes here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p01m79bn/blues

and download them either individually or as a batch

Michael

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Re: New Website

[michael norman]

On 17/07/13 09:22, Square Penguin wrote:
I appreciate that you are able to recognise the emotional nature of 
your reaction.


Logo: I may need to make this point again - I didn't make the logo. 
It's from Phil Lewis' original site. It's still there now if you want 
to take a look. As I said, if someone provides a new one I'd be 
willing to use it, but is that going to be the concern of the BBC? It 
seems that the underlying point is that many here believe their use of 
get_iplayer to be illicit and it is much more logical and important to 
take steps to address that fact first.


Popularity/Visibility: I am sorry to break the news to people here but 
get_iplayer is popular and visible. This mailing list is visible and 
easy to find, new users find it almost everyday and countless numbers 
find and use the programme every day too. No doubt the BBC is very 
well aware of get_iplayer hitting its servers and has a clear idea of 
how large it is. The 'visibility' ship has sailed.


The implied sentiment (one you are not necessarily making but others 
are) that new users should be discouraged so that the old timers can 
continue to enjoy the spoils is, frankly, repellent. get_iplayer is a 
free (in all senses) and open source tool created for everyone to use. 
Respecting that, and the BBC's usage terms, is at the core of its use.


I accept that people react to change, most can't accept it. I will NOT 
accept that new users should be discouraged and get_iplayer hidden 
away. That is a fundamental point of principle that goes to the heart 
of open source software and my position on that is immovable.






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And you are prepared to override the concerns expressed here because of 
your interpretation of  the principles of what you call open source 
software and to impugn the motives of those who have raised what I 
think are very reasonable concerns about your actions ?


Was there discussion anywhere of what you were intending to do before 
you did it ?  If not how does that equate with the principles of open 
source software ?


In terms of what is not acceptable I DO NOT ACCEPT your right to put a 
project at risk because or your perception of the needs of existing and 
new users.


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Re: New Website

[michael norman]

On 17/07/13 10:01, Square Penguin wrote:
I discussed the matter directly with get_iplayer's maintainer, who is 
fully on board.
It has struck me throughout this discussion that he has not said so, 
unless I have missed something.


I have already said I am prepared to use another logo and use another 
URL if the community truly believes that will make a difference.
I repeat what I said before, that the community should have been asked 
before the event, and I have no evidence that you did so.


But I will be providing the guides for people. That won't change.


I found your guide most useful and was grateful for it.


The project is not at risk through any action of mine, it is at risk 
through its very nature. I am simply mirroring content that is widely 
available. Even the logo.
I for one think that there is enough evidence from posts to this list 
that a number of people think that the project may be at risk through 
actions of yours


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Re: Under the radar

[michael norman]

On 17/07/13 10:31, Philip Colmer wrote:

get_iplayer differs fundamentally from a VCR/PVR in that programs may be
recorded without the use of an aerial feed and, therefore the need to
acquire a TV Licence.

Isn't that what Sky, Virgin and YouView offer, though? They all download the
programmes over the Internet and store locally on a harddrive for playing
without further use of bandwidth.

Regards

Philip


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The difference is that unless your pvr box offers a (legitimate without 
hacking it) way of transferring your content from its own hd to another 
external hd wherever that might be the material stays on the box.


With get_iplayer you have them on your pc to do with as you might wish.

bbc iplayer on a pc (windows only last time I cheeked) has (or had I 
don't use bbc iplayer on windows) the facility to download the content 
to a local directory, but it is automatically deleted after 3 weeks.


get_player looks in your download directory and warns you to delete 
programmes over 3 weeks old.  It then becomes a matter of trust whether 
you do so or just put them somewhere else.


From the point of view of the BBC that strikes me as an attackable 
weakness in get_iplayer.


FWIW I am not intending to start a debate about the fair use of digital 
content that belongs elsewhere.


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