It's possible you misunderstood my point.
There will be no arguing or defence. I am simply stating it is illogical
to believe there is any form of 'defence' when another programme has
received a cease and desist whilst already fulfilling the criteria of
obscurity, non use of iPlayer and not
Shouldn't the 'as far as I'm aware' side of things be looked into?
It'd be a shame for the new forums and any associated sites to be shut down for
using a logo
To put my concerns into context; I help admin a site for vintage radio control
cars and they were recently threatened with legal action
The BBC can request the take down of the site and I'd make necessary
adjustments to address the concerns and put it back up. I'm happy to
address them before it gets to that stage.
However, that is going to have no effect of get_iplayer, the programme,
itself. I have simply created a site
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Square Penguin
he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am
aware. It is on the front page of this mailing list. If someone would like
to do another one I'd be more than happy to use it, but if the
I would suggest a total re-design of the logo with its own identity. Or
no logo at all !
On 17/07/13 09:04, Jonathan H wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Square Penguin
he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am
aware. It
One hundred mil is only a billion in the States ;) in civilised society,
it's one thousand million.
Apologies for earlier confusion on my part re Radio Downloader allowing
people to circumvent geo restrictions, I was thinking of Beebify... Amusing
when you consider what likely popped into
With all due respect as a humble and grateful user of GIP - yes, you
probably could comply with any of the BEEBs potential compliance
requirements on your new website.
My simple point is that even if the FAQs and dissemination of GIP remains,
you are still posing a risk of the BEEB reacting
On 17/07/13 09:22, Square Penguin wrote:
I appreciate that you are able to recognise the emotional nature of
your reaction.
Logo: I may need to make this point again - I didn't make the logo.
It's from Phil Lewis' original site. It's still there now if you want
to take a look. As I said, if
I'd agree with the point about the logo, even though it's been around a
long time, it feels like the kind of thing that the BBC could get shirty
about - especially on a web page that looks professional ( In the sense
of looking good, rather than looking like it's asking for money!)
On 17 July 2013 at 09:49 michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com
wrote:
In terms of what is not acceptable I DO NOT ACCEPT your right to put a
project at risk because or your perception of the needs of existing
and
new users.
Well said, that man.
--
TQ via webmail
On 17/07/13 10:01, Square Penguin wrote:
I discussed the matter directly with get_iplayer's maintainer, who is
fully on board.
It has struck me throughout this discussion that he has not said so,
unless I have missed something.
I have already said I am prepared to use another logo and use
I have already said I am prepared to use another logo and use another
URL if the community truly believes that will make a difference.
I repeat what I said before, that the community should have been asked
before the event, and I have no evidence that you did so.
The logo is, as the Yanks
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But
it'll do for now and it site specific, signifying that the site is the
get_iplayer forum site and not get_iplayer itself.
On 17 July 2013 09:22, Square Penguin he...@squarepenguin.co.uk
mailto:he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
The implied sentiment (one you are not necessarily making but others are)
that new users should be discouraged so that the old timers can continue
to enjoy the spoils is, frankly,
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where exactly.
As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But
it'll do for now and it site
When Sky or Virgin et al create a Set Top Box, they negotiate licensing
fees with the content providers.
Their subscription numbers are clearly known, and thus the 'reach' of
the media is clearly known, and for what duration. All of this is built
into the negotiated price for the content, and
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where exactly.
There's no reason why SP's reservations should have
re Mr Normans comments.
If it looks like a Troll and smells like a Troll ..
On 17. juli 2013, at 12:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer
jn.ml.gti...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where
If the licence terms permit it, yes.
On 17 July 2013 11:58:58 michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the
On 17 July 2013 11:58, michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear
I think the question is this:
1) How can make iplayer easier to discuss?
Do you mean get_player and BBC iplayer both or just get_iplayer ?
2) How can we make it easier to download / find?
Assuming you mean get_player my latest google search gives me the old
Linuxcentre link and SQ's guide.
David thebrilliantmist...@gmail.com wrote:
Some points:
1) Open Source does not mean free.
The two are often confused.
Absolutely, but the home page at http://getiplayer.co.uk/ explicitly says
that get_iplayer is both 'free' and 'open-source', so the distinction
doesn't matter here.
--
Please can I join in those GIP users urgently requesting that the new GIP
website change its provocative use of both the name and logo of the BBC?
The desire to help newbies with GIP is admirable and the website is
brilliant, but putting the entire project at risk of legal intervention is a
But with respect, GIP is not for the purposes of circumventing
international copyright law, however dismal your country's television. I
have the same complaints about a lot of UK telly!
If we explicitly or implicitly encourage the use of GIP to operate outside
of copyright law, the whole
To address a few points:
iplayer in URL: There is nothing wrong with having 'iplayer' in the URL
as far as I am aware. The site does not generate revenue (which is key)
or seek to dilute the trademark. Legal precedent for this is well
established. Check out 'ryan air sucks' for just one
: 17 July 2013 01:20
To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Re: New Website
To address a few points:
iplayer in URL: There is nothing wrong with having 'iplayer' in the URL as
far as I am aware. The site does not generate revenue (which is key) or seek
to dilute the trademark. Legal
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