Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
-- Chris Woods CustomMade On 2021-04-26 08:07, David Taylor wrote: On 25/04/2021 19:52, Andrew wrote: A bit behind the times are we? Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car. That was a welcome improvement, but they are still stuck with too many gimmicks for me, "fan-boost", being able to drive over different bits of the track to get more energy, and so forth. Seems more like dodgem racing at times! The coverage is too variable. One race it's live from the BBC studio (in London), anther it's listed as live (on the iPlayer) but it isn't. The Extreme-E seems purer racing. https://www.extreme-e.com/ Yeah, agreed on the discontinuity of coverage, I'd prefer every round to have a full studio show. I think it's a combination of rights, scheduling and budget. At least we get everything, unlike some other countries' broadcasters. The studio shows have come from Quay House in Salford. Round 3 (Rome) on the 10th came from a new VR set. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09d68yc/formula-e-2021-round-three-rome-uninterrupted) I personally enjoy the two Attack Modes per race rule, it adds another element of risk for the drivers - do they do a double-use and try to leapfrog to the front and hold on until the end? Do they conserve energy and wait until everyone else is struggling towards the end, then go for some overtakes? Or do they risk it in changeable weather conditions? I also like some of the tech used for the programme. The attack mode floor arrows are a small element but they're being tracked and composited through 3D in real time using what's apparently a normal TV camera. At least in 2019 (and presumably still now) it was done with the Ncam product, which uses stereo tracking cameras that can track through free space, mounted on the main camera. I played with Ncam briefly in 2019, it's clever tech. The wider variety of camera angles is cool. Like IndyCar, we get Driver's Eye (very nice) and other shots you don't normally see in F1. Extreme E also had some fabulous shots for Round 2, they have four drones I believe? They must be hexacopters or large quads with quality IS. Some of the shots they were getting were mighty impressive. Unfortunately only four rounds for XE this year, and the format felt a little tentative and dragged a bit for the first weekend. Hopefully Round 2 will come out the gates swinging when they can revert to the original format. I'm looking forward to more WRX style rallycross frantic head to heads, not every race split with three cars and big gaps between sessions (necessitated due to the Saudi Arabia sand and dust: https://dirtfish.com/off-road/extreme-e/dust-concerns-force-major-extreme-e-format-change/ ) Next Extreme E is on the 29th: https://www.extreme-e.com/en/race-calendar * this is a nice chase drone vid from a pre-season shoot if you don't mind his narration style - https://www.reddit.com/r/motorsports/comments/m82wdb/extreme_e_fpv_drone_pilot_commentates_over_shot/ ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On 25/04/2021 19:52, Andrew wrote: A bit behind the times are we? Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car. That was a welcome improvement, but they are still stuck with too many gimmicks for me, "fan-boost", being able to drive over different bits of the track to get more energy, and so forth. Seems more like dodgem racing at times! The coverage is too variable. One race it's live from the BBC studio (in London), anther it's listed as live (on the iPlayer) but it isn't. The Extreme-E seems purer racing. https://www.extreme-e.com/ -- David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
No-one can mimic Murray Walker, and trying to do so is a mistake. Commentators should find their own style. -- Owen Smith Cambridge, UK > On 25 Apr 2021, at 23:19, Chris Woods wrote: > > Jack Nicholls and Dario Franchitti don't just scream into the mic like Crofty > does at each race start, trying to mimic Murray Walker. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On 2021-04-25 19:09, Peter S Kirk wrote: On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web wrote: The problem being unknown unknowns Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke You'll be happy to hear that's not a thing since the Gen2 car went into service for 2020 season. The Gen2 car is way nicer than the Gen1, and the Gen3/'Gen2 EVO' has some interesting changes to aero and so on but was delayed by the production halt at Dallara thanks to Covid. Formula E were in a tough spot when the original bidders for the Gen1 car failed to deliver, the collaborative effort turned out pretty well given the constraints. https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2020/september/world-ev-day-progress https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/discover/cars-and-technology https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/watch/video-highlights/highlights/old-vs-new-gen1-vs-gen2 https://motorsport.tech/formula-e/gen3-formula-es-big-step-into-unchartered-territory https://motorsport.tech/formula-e/when-will-we-see-you-again-formula-es-delayed-gen2evo-machine-analysed It's surprisingly fun to watch. No tyre warmers, ostensibly all-weather road car tyres, a wide range of drivers with abilities from different disciplines results in a curious mix of tactics, mindgames, precision driving, lift and coast for regen and flat out attack. Safety cars can produce some hilarious, exciting or unexpected results (e.g. Valencia yesterday!) Whereas F1 at the moment is usually a "who will follow Hamilton over the finish line", Formula E can throw up some real curveballs. Even qualifying performance can be wildly different between rounds. I love hearing all the tyre squeal, transmission whine and crunch of carbon fibre as someone does a full send into an impossible overtake :D TV presentation is fairly engaging, presenters are enthusiastic and fans of the sport, plus race commentators Jack Nicholls and Dario Franchitti don't just scream into the mic like Crofty does at each race start, trying to mimic Murray Walker. Overall programme length feels nice, unlike the hours of exposition around the F1 races. Sometimes you get nice guest pundits like Mark Webber showing up too. If you haven't watched for a while, give it a try :) The latest rounds are on the iPlayer, a Valencia double-header. The first one was quite controversial... ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On 25 Apr 2021 at 19:52, Andrew Andrew wrote: > On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:09:15 +0100 > "Peter S Kirk" wrote: > > > On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web wrote: > > > > > The problem being unknown unknowns > > > > Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke > > > A bit behind the times are we? > > Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of > the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car. Andrew and Graham Lunn, thanks. I will give it another look ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
OT: Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:09:15 +0100 "Peter S Kirk" wrote: > On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web wrote: > > > The problem being unknown unknowns > > Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke > > A bit behind the times are we? Pit stops haven't happened since season 4 following the introduction of the Gen2 cars. Races are 45min + 1 lap with the same car. > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On 25 Apr 2021 at 13:10, Jim web Jim web wrote: > The problem being unknown unknowns Another unkown is why anyone watches - pit stop changeover is a joke ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
On 25/04/2021 13:10, Jim web wrote: The problem being unknown unknowns. Jim If only we knew a little about those. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Unknown unknows. was Re: Why no Formula E?
In article <20210425122922.1e96c...@andrew.woodwards.com>, Andrew wrote: > Searching for "formula" on the iPlayer website finds eight matches. All > of them except for the above one were only broadcast via the BBC sport > webpage. Maybe that is why they don't show up? I tend to find programmes of interest by looking at the 'schedules' pages for the channels as broadcast. But is there a sensible arranged list/catalogue of the programmes that are 'podcasted, etc' but not actually during the last few weeks - so aren't findable via the back-schedules of recent weeks? I have found various old series, etc, that popped up on iplayer. But this has been a mix of accident and 'one thing leads to another'. Not any form of index or catalogue. The problem being unknown unknowns. Jim -- Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
