Re: [Gimp-developer] Option to save images without embedded ICC profile

2010-03-06 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 04/03/10 21:22, Jason Simanek wrote:
 ... elision by patrick...
 Thanks to browser type #2 I can only use color profiles on images that
 are not intended to be a part of the web site's design. If I do include
 color profiles on those images, every time I bring up the site in Safari
 it will look like my page elements don't match the flat colors defined
 in my site's HTML/CSS.

 So the color mismatch I'm concerned about really only happens in Safari,
 but mismatches like that are not acceptable.

 Did that resolve your confusion? Or just add to it?

No, now I get it completely.  If it's a situation where you want managed 
and unmanaged to match, Safari is your enemy.  Thanks!

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-developer] remove layer should not force you to last selected layer

2010-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 20:22 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
 On 03/05/2010 03:20 AM, Luiz Felipe Moraes Pereira wrote:
  Hi again, the original discussion is in the link below:
  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611758
 
  I was advised to present this idea here, what do you think?
 
  Also I do not mind much about not having a selected layer after
  the deletion of a layer. But the forced viewer scroll down( or up ),
  depending of the last selected layer is a problem.
 
 To me, having the layers dialog scroll to a seemingly random place after 
 deleting a layer is a clear usability problem. A user should not have to 
 worry about what layer that was previously selected when deleting a layer.

Perhaps the problem is just the scrolling then. GIMP could continue to
select the previously selected layer, but it wouldn't have to scroll
that layer into sight. It could instead just leave the list-view as it
is.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP distributing sRGB profiles: license issues?

2010-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 07:34 +, Omari Stephens wrote:

 Finally, to respond to your question on the bug, we need some way to 
 embed an actual sRGB profile into an image.

Can't we just embed the lcms built-in sRGB profile? That sounds like a
totally straight-forward solution. But I might have missed something. Is
there a particular reason why we need the profile to exist as a file?


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] remove layer should not force you to last selected layer

2010-03-06 Thread Alexia Death
On Saturday 06 March 2010 14:56:21 Sven Neumann wrote:
  To me, having the layers dialog scroll to a seemingly random place after
  deleting a layer is a clear usability problem. A user should not have to
  worry about what layer that was previously selected when deleting a
  layer.
 
 Perhaps the problem is just the scrolling then. GIMP could continue to
 select the previously selected layer, but it wouldn't have to scroll
 that layer into sight. It could instead just leave the list-view as it
 is.

Please no. Only thing worse than selecting random(for those of us that do not 
remember wha layer it was that they clicked at last) item and scrolling to it 
is selecting the random item and not making it apparent that this was done.

--Alexia
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Re: [Gimp-developer] remove layer should not force you to last selected layer

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 13:56 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 20:22 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
  On 03/05/2010 03:20 AM, Luiz Felipe Moraes Pereira wrote:
   Hi again, the original discussion is in the link below:
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611758
  
   I was advised to present this idea here, what do you think?
  
   Also I do not mind much about not having a selected layer after
   the deletion of a layer. But the forced viewer scroll down( or up ),
   depending of the last selected layer is a problem.
  
  To me, having the layers dialog scroll to a seemingly random place after 
  deleting a layer is a clear usability problem. A user should not have to 
  worry about what layer that was previously selected when deleting a layer.
 
 Perhaps the problem is just the scrolling then. GIMP could continue to
 select the previously selected layer, but it wouldn't have to scroll
 that layer into sight. It could instead just leave the list-view as it
 is.

Nope, the problem here is that we are using a mechanism that is
actually meant for selecting a layer once you deleted the last
channel. The MRU list of layers doesn't really make sense to use
when we are dealing with layers only, since the obviously expected
behavior when deleting a list/tree element is to select a
neighboring element. Everybody please calm down, I plan to
change things here anyway, the refactoring of the image's item
trees is not over yet.

stay tuned,
--mitch


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Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] OpenRaster: optimize PNG saving

2010-03-06 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 02/27/2010 03:14 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
 Sets lower compression and disables interlacing.
 On a 5 layer image of 4500x6000px this gives an order of magnitude better
 save-times, with 50% increase in file size.

Hi Jon

Sorry for the late follow-up and thanks for maintaining the ORA plug-in.

50% increase in file size is pretty significant, maybe the compression 
ratio should be exposed in a UI?


 @@ -85,7 +85,7 @@ def save_ora(img, drawable, filename, raw_filename):

 def store_layer(img, drawable, path):
 tmp = os.path.join(tempdir, 'tmp.png')
 - pdb['file-png-save-defaults'](img, drawable, tmp, 'tmp.png')
 + pdb['file-png-save'](img, drawable, tmp, 'tmp.png', 0, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

It would be nice to make 0, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 immediately interpretable, 
for example by commenting or using local variables like so:

   embed_profile = 1
   function(1, # save_comment
embed_profile)


BR,
Martin
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Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] OpenRaster: optimize PNG saving

2010-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 15:30 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
 On 02/27/2010 03:14 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
  Sets lower compression and disables interlacing.
  On a 5 layer image of 4500x6000px this gives an order of magnitude better
  save-times, with 50% increase in file size.
 
 Hi Jon
 
 Sorry for the late follow-up and thanks for maintaining the ORA plug-in.
 
 50% increase in file size is pretty significant, maybe the compression 
 ratio should be exposed in a UI?

IMO 50% increase in file size is not much for a file format that is
meant for archival and exchange of images. It's not that people are
likely to use OpenRaster files on web-pages or the like. Being able to
save quickly seems much more important than file-size here.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] OpenRaster: optimize PNG saving

2010-03-06 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 16:35 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
[...]
 IMO 50% increase in file size is not much for a file format that is
 meant for archival and exchange of images.

Archival - it'd mean an extra 20 gigabytes to back up for one of
my old books archives for example.
Interchange - the difference between 100 megabytes and 150 megabytes for
an image seems at the least noticeable to me, and that's for an 8bit per
channel grayscale image. (I'd be using 16 bits if the tools I had
supported it a little better)

  It's not that people are
 likely to use OpenRaster files on web-pages or the like. Being able to
 save quickly seems much more important than file-size here.
I don't mind waiting 10 minutes to save a file for archiving, especially
as GIMP lets me do other things in the meantime.

My vote here is for exposing it in the UI, as with export to PNG, as
it's clearly different for different people.

Liam

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