Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
On Sunday 04 June 2006 02:45 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 11:58 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > > For C plug-ins that might be true. However, python plug-ins are > > not good in dealing directly with pixels - that is, for rendering > > things. > > There is no need to access pixels directly. We are not asking the C > programmer to iterate over the pixels and clear them directly. > Calling gimp-drawable-fill is sufficient, no matter what language > binding is being used. That was not what I meant anyway. The matter is: the only advantadge of not having a layer automatically cleared when it is created, is sparing somw cycles if you are generating the layers content. Generate the layers content from within thew python code is something that, although can be done, is so slow, that the time spent auto-clearing the table becomes negligible. It may look as a single extra line of code for us. For one trying with the scripts, it is one more "secret" to be found or overcame, that might not take negligible time. That is the motive for my suggestion. JS -><- > > Sven > > > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
Hi, On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 11:58 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > For C plug-ins that might be true. However, python plug-ins are not > good in dealing directly with pixels - that is, for rendering things. There is no need to access pixels directly. We are not asking the C programmer to iterate over the pixels and clear them directly. Calling gimp-drawable-fill is sufficient, no matter what language binding is being used. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
Hi, On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 12:07 +0200, Sebastian Breuers wrote: > The plug-in, I'm writing, creates a number of layers, every layer receives an > object, for example a circle (created by ellipse selection, an selection > fill), but somewhen, don't know why, the layer contains not only the desired > circle but also some artefacts. Stripes, areas of white, the mouse cursor, > things they should not be there. > Is that a problem that can be solved by a certain programmable handling or do > I have to remove these artefacts by hand? Clearing the layers before use would probably help. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 16:58 schrieb Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris: > On Saturday 03 June 2006 09:53 am, Simon Budig wrote: > > Alan Horkan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Simon Budig wrote: > > > > That sounds as if you don't clear the layer before you use it > > > > for the first time. Layers created from a Plugin are not > > > > initialized from the very beginning. They need to be cleared > > > > using e.g. gimp_drawable_fill. > > > Thanks a lot, that helped. Did it with: newLayer.fill(TRANSPARENT_FILL) seb > > > I remember getting caught out by this too. Why is necessary to > > > manually clear a new layer rather than have it done > > > automatically? > > > > I have no strong opinions on that. I guess the reasoning behind > > this behaviour was a speed optimization: If a plugin later renders > > stuff to a new layer anyway it would be a waste of time to clear it > > automatically. If it doesn't it would just invoke > > gimp_drawable_fill. No harm done, except that you have to know > > about it. > > > > It might even matter for big images... > > For C plug-ins that might be true. However, python plug-ins are not > good in dealing directly with pixels - that is, for rendering things. > > I guess the python api for creating a layer could create an empty one > with no problems. > > Regards, > JS > -><- > > > Bye, > > Simon > > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer -- Sebastian Breuers Huhnsgasse 53 50676 Köln Tel: 0221-2954235 Mobil: 0179-7841404 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
On Saturday 03 June 2006 09:53 am, Simon Budig wrote: > Alan Horkan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Simon Budig wrote: > > > That sounds as if you don't clear the layer before you use it > > > for the first time. Layers created from a Plugin are not > > > initialized from the very beginning. They need to be cleared > > > using e.g. gimp_drawable_fill. > > > > I remember getting caught out by this too. Why is necessary to > > manually clear a new layer rather than have it done > > automatically? > > I have no strong opinions on that. I guess the reasoning behind > this behaviour was a speed optimization: If a plugin later renders > stuff to a new layer anyway it would be a waste of time to clear it > automatically. If it doesn't it would just invoke > gimp_drawable_fill. No harm done, except that you have to know > about it. > > It might even matter for big images... > For C plug-ins that might be true. However, python plug-ins are not good in dealing directly with pixels - that is, for rendering things. I guess the python api for creating a layer could create an empty one with no problems. Regards, JS -><- > Bye, > Simon ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
Alan Horkan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Simon Budig wrote: > > That sounds as if you don't clear the layer before you use it for the > > first time. Layers created from a Plugin are not initialized from the > > very beginning. They need to be cleared using e.g. gimp_drawable_fill. > > I remember getting caught out by this too. Why is necessary to manually > clear a new layer rather than have it done automatically? I have no strong opinions on that. I guess the reasoning behind this behaviour was a speed optimization: If a plugin later renders stuff to a new layer anyway it would be a waste of time to clear it automatically. If it doesn't it would just invoke gimp_drawable_fill. No harm done, except that you have to know about it. It might even matter for big images... Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Simon Budig wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:29:02 +0200 > From: Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer > > Sebastian Breuers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > The plug-in, I'm writing, creates a number of layers, every layer receives > > an > > object, for example a circle (created by ellipse selection, an selection > > fill), but somewhen, don't know why, the layer contains not only the desired > > circle but also some artefacts. Stripes, areas of white, the mouse cursor, > > things they should not be there. > > Is that a problem that can be solved by a certain programmable handling or > > do > > I have to remove these artefacts by hand? > > That sounds as if you don't clear the layer before you use it for the > first time. Layers created from a Plugin are not initialized from the > very beginning. They need to be cleared using e.g. gimp_drawable_fill. I remember getting caught out by this too. Why is necessary to manually clear a new layer rather than have it done automatically? -- Alan ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
Sebastian Breuers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > The plug-in, I'm writing, creates a number of layers, every layer receives an > object, for example a circle (created by ellipse selection, an selection > fill), but somewhen, don't know why, the layer contains not only the desired > circle but also some artefacts. Stripes, areas of white, the mouse cursor, > things they should not be there. > Is that a problem that can be solved by a certain programmable handling or do > I have to remove these artefacts by hand? That sounds as if you don't clear the layer before you use it for the first time. Layers created from a Plugin are not initialized from the very beginning. They need to be cleared using e.g. gimp_drawable_fill. Hope this helps, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Gimp-python: Artefacts when creating layer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The plug-in, I'm writing, creates a number of layers, every layer receives an object, for example a circle (created by ellipse selection, an selection fill), but somewhen, don't know why, the layer contains not only the desired circle but also some artefacts. Stripes, areas of white, the mouse cursor, things they should not be there. Is that a problem that can be solved by a certain programmable handling or do I have to remove these artefacts by hand? seb ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
