Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: web site
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry, no. I do not have enough time for that right now. I am willing to help out, but not in such an important way. When I volunteered, I was thinking more along the lines of helping to make sure the site is up-to-date, i.e. that it mentions the most recent GIMP releases, does not run a 'montly competition' of which the last installment was in 1999, et cetera. I think this is desperately needed. At least until someone has come up with a working new system, we should fix the worst stuff on the old site As you may imagine, not much maintainance takes place at the moment and I guess we could need some help here. I hope your help will be appreciated (/me kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Updating the current website will certainly help a new website design too since it will most probably base its content on the old site. Unfortunately the web site is held together with some propietary strange brew of elisp code and templates some strange guy once invented (upps, I just remember, that was me). This is for sure part of the problem someone has who just wants to update some parts of the site. While I can't spend a lot of time currently on this stuff, I am willing to help with any problems that may arise. jtl ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: web site
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 07:37:54PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erm, I would be willing to help some with the web site. It would seem a waste not to do what I am best at. Who should I turn to for this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Several people expressed their interest in doing a new gimp.org website so far. All we asked from them was to write a proposal of what they would like to do and present us a working mockup later. Everyone lost interest then, I wonder why... I volunteered to do it last summer but I kinda dropped it on the floor... like most people who volunteered to do it. It's not that I lost interest -- I just got busy with other things (and people :) ). Ooops, I got a personal life. However, I *did* get a bunch of work done on the site that I'm working on this weekend (mainly because those other people were away :) ). I have placeholder pages for most of the site at: http://wilber.gimp.org:8192/ At the moment I am working on copying the existing content over to the new site. Of course the design can change - it's a placeholder too. The shape of the pages is a little inflexible but it's very simple to change the colours/appearance of the whole site. I'm really sorry that I haven't been more communicative about this. I'm just not good at that. I'd suggest you use this mailing list to discuss the future of www.gimp.org so we can all contribute. I'd also suggest you don't try to tackle it all by your own but try to find a group of people willing to do the work. This is a very good point. It really should be a group effort - I know that I would have got a lot more done if I had other people pushing/helping. There are a few reasons that this hasn't happened, though. All of the people that I have talked to about doing the site have different opinions on what language/architecture/design should be used to do it, making it very difficult to cooperate on the project. It seems to me that there is nobody driving this as a _project_. I am most certainly not a project manager. I am an ok content writer and web designer and (IMHO) a fairly capable information system architect. My site template system is pretty simple for content writers and designers to work with, and the code is pretty clean and fast, and it is running on wilber already. Another interesting point is that the titles are generated using the GIMP and cached as static files. So there's an interesting use of the GIMP involved. You can read a bit more at: http://wilber.gimp.org:8192/about/site.html Those of you with accounts on wilber are more than welcome to look at everything in: /gimp00/web-newgimp I will also be doing a presentation on this system in Manchester soon: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/prog/abstract-TRathborne-2.shtml I don't really care if it's my mod_perl system or PHP4 or some other random thing that ends up being the new GIMP site, but I do agree that it should be done. Unfortunately I do not know if there is anyone out there who can speak authoritatively on all this. If someone steps up and says we're using this system, you work on the code, you work on the content, I'm sure it will be done very soon. We need someone to take charge -- and that's not me. I am going to be working on the site as much as I can over the next little while -- there is a bunch of code that needs to be written and fixed, and of course lots of content to be rewritten and links to be fixed. I would be happy to put my full effort behind the architecture if a leader appears to keep the project organized - otherwise I'm just going to keep stumbling along as I am just not good at including others in my work without a manager above me. Branko, you feel like being the project manager for the website? Cheers, Tom -- Tom Rathborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aceldama.com/~tomr/ | I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my | H complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the | A greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission, and I want to help you. | L ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: web site
On 21 May 2001, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, I'd suggest you use this mailing list to discuss the future of www.gimp.org so we can all contribute. I'd also suggest you don't try to tackle it all by your own but try to find a group of people willing to do the work. Adrian and I discussed the possiblity of putting the web pages in CVS so that more people could participate. An example of how to do this is in the cvs info documentation under the index item web pages, maintaining with CVS. A question that comes up is whether the pages would be in the GNOME cvs or another repository. I can come up with good arguments either way. Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: web site
On 21 May 2001, at 19:37, Sven Neumann wrote: Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erm, I would be willing to help some with the web site. It would seem a waste not to do what I am best at. Who should I turn to for this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Several people expressed their interest in doing a new gimp.org website so far. All we asked from them was to write a proposal of what they would like to do and present us a working mockup later. Everyone lost interest then, I wonder why... Well, I certainly am not willing to do a _new_ Gimp web site. I meant it when I said I am willing to do _some_ work. Re-designing the web site not only does not fit my definition of 'some work', it would also seem that parts of the web site need updating now, rather than waiting for a new design to come along. I'd suggest you use this mailing list to discuss the future of www.gimp.org so we can all contribute. I'd also suggest you don't try to tackle it all by your own but try to find a group of people willing to do the work. 'The work' being? I assume you are not talking about simple maintenance, I take it that is what the people behind [EMAIL PROTECTED] do. On 21 May 2001, at 15:14, Tom Rathborne wrote: I would be happy to put my full effort behind the architecture if a leader appears to keep the project organized - otherwise I'm just going to keep stumbling along as I am just not good at including others in my work without a manager above me. Branko, you feel like being the project manager for the website? I am sorry, no. I do not have enough time for that right now. I am willing to help out, but not in such an important way. When I volunteered, I was thinking more along the lines of helping to make sure the site is up-to-date, i.e. that it mentions the most recent GIMP releases, does not run a 'montly competition' of which the last installment was in 1999, et cetera. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: web site
Hi, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry, no. I do not have enough time for that right now. I am willing to help out, but not in such an important way. When I volunteered, I was thinking more along the lines of helping to make sure the site is up-to-date, i.e. that it mentions the most recent GIMP releases, does not run a 'montly competition' of which the last installment was in 1999, et cetera. As you may imagine, not much maintainance takes place at the moment and I guess we could need some help here. I hope your help will be appreciated (/me kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Updating the current website will certainly help a new website design too since it will most probably base its content on the old site. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
