Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On 04/29/2015 02:47 PM, Nathan Summers wrote: We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP_is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't already like Photoshop? I just don't see that as a very big niche. The GIMP Vision briefing (http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Vision_briefing) says GIMP is for high-end photo manipulation . . . for intense use . . . intense in the number of hours users put in to really master the tools; this is exactly the same as the centuries old process of how people, through apprenticeship, master a certain craft If GIMP isn't competing with PhotoShop for high end users, what software is currently used by the core users that GIMP is targeting? Are all of them already using GIMP? Digital artists have Krita which competes with and in many ways is much better than PhotoShop, as former PhotoShop users will attest. To have a viable free/libre alternative to PhotoShop with its proprietary file format and cloud-based access, photographers *need* high bit depth GIMP to compete with and be better than PhotoShop. Best, Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP useability - choosing linear vs perceptually uniform RGB
Hi Elle - Seeing your e-mail give the same kind of and what can I do about it feeling I have when talking to Americo (he should also be reading this mailing list by now). There are obvious lots of improvements that _could_ be done so that GIMP would be a killer application. What you do on the high-depth, color management field, Americo is doing on the painting tools/dynamics/presets area. The problem is: currently there is not enough colaborator time to put these suggestions together. There are barely collaborator resources to read in full what you and Americo write (though the later have been writing mostly to me in private due to language barriers) . So, I hope that with the previous e-mail you could get to a good summary of what would be needed for GIMP not only to be vaibale, but to surpass current photoshop U.I. when dealing with these issues . I hope so. Now help us think on the next steps. For example get that e-mail worked into a feasible specification: If you can, refine it, then maybe try to get someone with UI expertise that could fine tune that your suggestions into specifications that could be really great - now we don't have Peter helping the project anymore. (could be someone from your area, to whom you could get face to face meetings) - (I'd rather have another switch along the layer modes than to duplicate all layer modes in the UI, for example) - And then...help use having more people who could help with development. :-) At least I can see the suggested features as great. And I can't think of a way to even begin takling them without an enormous amount of weekly hours to dedicate to it (or Americo's issues for the matter) Best regards, js -- On 29 April 2015 at 08:55, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 04/19/2015 06:44 AM, Elle Stone wrote: The single biggest useability issue with GIMP 2.9 is the mechanism for allowing the user to switch between linear and perceptually uniform RGB. On 04/19/2015 03:40 PM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: In the meantime in my own workflow the lack of repeat last filter used is a much bigger usability issue than anything to do with gamma or clipping. So phrases like everyone and the biggest usability problen don't carry as much weight as specific use cases, I think. I will guess that most current GIMP users, just like most current PhotoShop users, don't have any notion of whether any given RGB operation should be done on linear vs perceptually uniform RGB. They rely on what they see on the screen, and they are used to seeing wrong results. Anyone who understands and intends to take advantage of high bit depth linear gamma image editing needs *control* over whether an operation is done using linear or perceptually uniform RGB: * The user shouldn't have to guess whether the RGB values have been linearized or not. * The user shouldn't be forced to rely on the developer's decisions from afar regarding whether any given RGB operation should be done using linear or perceptually uniform RGB. * The GIMP UI should provide easy user choice for all RGB editing operations, with good default settings. For example the default for gaussian blur should be linear RGB and the default for adding RGB noise should be perceptually uniform RGB. But the user needs the ability to *easily* make the other choice. Back when I used PhotoShop for linear gamma image editing I encountered three useability issues, which apparently still exist in the latest version of PhotoShop: 1. PhotoShop couldn't display a true linear gamma image without causing posterization in the shadows, at least until the image was zoomed in to nearly 100%. 2. PhotoShop Curves and Levels provided far too few tonal steps in the shadows to allow good control over edits made in linear gamma color spaces. 3. Switching between linear gamma and perceptually uniform RGB required doing an ICC profile conversion. GIMP 2.9 from git used to have (but doesn't any longer have) the first two problems (well, there seems to be some kind of problem with Curves/Levels shadow adjustments, but it's not related to having too few tonal steps). The babl flips are a brilliant solution to the third problem. But the current User Interface for switching between linear gamma and perceptually uniform RGB is a useability nightmare. Currently the only way a use could know how to get an operation to operate on linear vs perceptually uniform RGB is if someone supplied a table that includes all operations, with a column for how to get linear RGB and another column for how to get perceptually uniform RGB. For examples of how very inconsistent the current UI is, see this table: http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography/users-guide-to-high-bit-depth-gimp.html#linear-or-perceptual-table. The table explains how to get selected operations to work on linear RGB. Best, Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
Apologies for the top post. My phone won't permit anything else. With regard to the Firefox comparison, if the name was the only difference you'd have a valid argument. But unless you can line up the potential contributors who were put off by the name you're going to have to take into account that gimp's target audience is tiny compared to that of Firefox (High-end 'pro' photographers versus everyone who wants to view web pages... that is to say, everyone.). Since Foss development is done by users of the software (I'm guessing that the number of volunteer Foss developers who have no interest in using the program that they are working on can be counted on the fingers of one hand) this is the primary limiting factor on the number of developers. Jon (who frankly doesn't care what it's called and suspects that very few people actually do) Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com a écrit : Grr, when did GMail change the default from reply-to-list to reply-to-author? On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: 28 апр. 2015 г. 8:22 пользователь Sam Bagot написал: Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP _is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't already like Photoshop? I just don't see that as a very big niche. Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing nasty about what he said. The name of the program actually is a serious impediment to the development of GIMP, and if it's not to be discussed here, then where? Sam makes several excellent points about why GIMP doesn't get the kind of professional contributions that other projects of similar stature such as the Linux kernel or Firefox, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he says. You can say that you don't care about what GIMP means in English out of some egalitarian principal that all languages should be treated equally, but as a practical matter that means that you're putting a huge barrier to developing in place for the largest part of the software industry GDP. That has consequences. For example, I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. I highly doubt I'm the only one. Are you sure it's a good idea to shut out contributions from all but the most naive and the most calloused of the English-speaking world? I personally consider the we can get people to overlook the connotations of the name idea as a failed hypothesis at this point. I'm not sure how aware the non-native-English speakers are of how far the name is outside of the Overton Window, but I can assure you it's not even close. It's not worth the effort to try to make it socially acceptable. You can choose to ignore that fact, but you can't deny that it has a very large influence on the pace of development. Rockwalrus ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Alan Pater alan.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. gimp noun 1. twisted silk, worsted, or cotton with cord or wire running through it, used chiefly as upholstery trimming. (in lacemaking) coarser thread that forms the outline of the design in some techniques. 2. fishing line made of silk bound with wire. If you think that either of these meanings are what Spencer and Peter had in mind when they named the program, you're even more naive than I. :) Rockwalrus ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. gimp noun 1. twisted silk, worsted, or cotton with cord or wire running through it, used chiefly as upholstery trimming. (in lacemaking) coarser thread that forms the outline of the design in some techniques. 2. fishing line made of silk bound with wire. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
El mié, 29-04-2015 a las 14:47 -0400, Nathan Summers escribió: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing nasty about what he said. The name of the program actually is a serious impediment to the development of GIMP, and if it's not to be discussed here, then where? Sam makes several excellent points about why GIMP doesn't get the kind of professional contributions that other projects of similar stature such as the Linux kernel or Firefox, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he says. Earlier I proposed to solve this issue by adding the en_US-prudish locale as a joke, but now I'm not sure it's even a joke. As every message in this thread (and older threads about the same subject) clearly show, this is an issue that only affects some americans. Nobody else seems to be having any troubles with the name. Even if everyone in the USA have issues with the name (which doesn't seem to be the case either), it's still a regional issue. So IT IS a little bit nasty to treat anyone defending the name as idiots who intentionally chose a name that harms the project. Nobody else cares about the name outside the US, and coincidentally nobody seems to be too concerned about GIMP as a product competing in an industry as americans are. Most of us just want to see GIMP becoming a capable tool suitable for our everyday tasks. I don't think the name will prevent that and I don't think it will ever prevent coders interested in making it a better tool from joining the project. That being said, it is a shame if a few american schools where GIMP could be used stop using it because of the name, but it seems that it could be solved by creating a new locale where GIMP is renamed and point people uncomfortable with the name to change it. GIM could work. But again it's a regional issue, and renaming the entire project because a few people don't like it would be overkill (and yes, in the world context a few americans whining about the name IS a few people). The case of the Mitsubishi Pajero I referred to earlier was solved by renaming the product only for a specific region. The product kept the original name for everywhere else. No big deal apparently. Gez. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the project? On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:03 PM, C R caj...@gmail.com wrote: I'm an American (US citizen even), and the name GIMP is just fine. For the record, I have no issues wearing a GIMP teeshirt. Be thankful that the name was changed in 1995 from The GIMP to just GIMP, following the realisation that the movie Pulp Fiction would forever taint the name in the minds of those who care more about what a program is called than what it does. Given the sheer quantity of GIMP tutorials on YouTube, it's obviously wildly popular in the English-speaking (US and non-US) world. If rich kids's parents in private schools turn their nose up at GIMP just because the acronym spells something that isn't marketed to them directly, then they will have no issues buying/subscribing to Photoshop, which is a usable substitute for GIMP. Not ideal, I'll grant you, but well, beggars and choosers and such. ;) One last solution (since the name will not change) might be to append the version number after GIMP, so they could call it GIMP 2.8, which would disambiguate it from the fetishy Quentin Tarantino character (as if that mistake could actually be made). My two cents, and I am a career graphic designer and long, long time Photoshop user (since Photoshop was ver 2.5, up through CS3). These days I use GIMP for all my Photoshop heavy-lifting. I always recommend GIMP to companies as a replacement for Adobe products for their photo-editing and graphic design needs. Not one has even mentioned the name being an issue. Why would they? GIMP goes right along with Google, Yahoo, and a myriad of other silly named things that people also don't care about. The most common questions I get are Are you sure this is free?, and No, really? This is free? I can use this for professional purposes?. Sure, there will always be some people who don't like the name. Maybe a page directing them to some of the finer points made in these conversations, and suggestions for calling it something else like G.I.M.P. or GnuIMP, or GIMP 2.8. or pronouncing it JIMP as none of these require changing the name of the program. -C On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: Grr, when did GMail change the default from reply-to-list to reply-to-author? On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: 28 апр. 2015 г. 8:22 пользователь Sam Bagot написал: Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP _is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't already like Photoshop? I just don't see that as a very big niche. Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing nasty about what he said. The name of the program actually is a serious impediment to the development of GIMP, and if it's not to be discussed here, then where? Sam makes several excellent points about why GIMP doesn't get the kind of professional contributions that other projects of similar stature such as the Linux kernel or Firefox, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he says. You can say that you don't care about what GIMP means in English out of some egalitarian principal that all languages should be treated equally, but as a practical matter that means that you're putting a huge barrier to developing in place for the largest part of the software industry GDP. That has consequences. For example, I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. I highly doubt I'm the only one. Are you sure it's a good idea to shut out contributions from all but the most naive and the most calloused of the English-speaking world? I personally consider the we can get people to overlook the connotations of the name idea as a failed hypothesis at this point. I'm not sure how aware the non-native-English speakers are of how far the name is outside of the Overton Window, but I can assure you it's not even close. It's not worth the effort to try to make it socially acceptable. You can choose to ignore that fact, but you can't deny that it has a very large influence on the pace of development. Rockwalrus ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership:
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On 04/30/2015 12:07 AM, C R wrote: Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the project? We have a proposal from someone who wants to create shirts - and other stuff. What we've been slow about is determining how the GIMP mark (it has been pointed out to us that we effectively have one, even if none was ever registered) may be used, as this is one of the few solid offers for that we ever had. Some of the main GIMP contributors are currently gathered at Libre Graphics Meeting 2015 in Troronto, Canada (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/ please drop by f you are in the area) and we are going to discuss this here. -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
I'm an American (US citizen even), and the name GIMP is just fine. For the record, I have no issues wearing a GIMP teeshirt. Be thankful that the name was changed in 1995 from The GIMP to just GIMP, following the realisation that the movie Pulp Fiction would forever taint the name in the minds of those who care more about what a program is called than what it does. Given the sheer quantity of GIMP tutorials on YouTube, it's obviously wildly popular in the English-speaking (US and non-US) world. If rich kids's parents in private schools turn their nose up at GIMP just because the acronym spells something that isn't marketed to them directly, then they will have no issues buying/subscribing to Photoshop, which is a usable substitute for GIMP. Not ideal, I'll grant you, but well, beggars and choosers and such. ;) One last solution (since the name will not change) might be to append the version number after GIMP, so they could call it GIMP 2.8, which would disambiguate it from the fetishy Quentin Tarantino character (as if that mistake could actually be made). My two cents, and I am a career graphic designer and long, long time Photoshop user (since Photoshop was ver 2.5, up through CS3). These days I use GIMP for all my Photoshop heavy-lifting. I always recommend GIMP to companies as a replacement for Adobe products for their photo-editing and graphic design needs. Not one has even mentioned the name being an issue. Why would they? GIMP goes right along with Google, Yahoo, and a myriad of other silly named things that people also don't care about. The most common questions I get are Are you sure this is free?, and No, really? This is free? I can use this for professional purposes?. Sure, there will always be some people who don't like the name. Maybe a page directing them to some of the finer points made in these conversations, and suggestions for calling it something else like G.I.M.P. or GnuIMP, or GIMP 2.8. or pronouncing it JIMP as none of these require changing the name of the program. -C On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: Grr, when did GMail change the default from reply-to-list to reply-to-author? On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: 28 апр. 2015 г. 8:22 пользователь Sam Bagot написал: Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP _is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't already like Photoshop? I just don't see that as a very big niche. Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing nasty about what he said. The name of the program actually is a serious impediment to the development of GIMP, and if it's not to be discussed here, then where? Sam makes several excellent points about why GIMP doesn't get the kind of professional contributions that other projects of similar stature such as the Linux kernel or Firefox, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he says. You can say that you don't care about what GIMP means in English out of some egalitarian principal that all languages should be treated equally, but as a practical matter that means that you're putting a huge barrier to developing in place for the largest part of the software industry GDP. That has consequences. For example, I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. I highly doubt I'm the only one. Are you sure it's a good idea to shut out contributions from all but the most naive and the most calloused of the English-speaking world? I personally consider the we can get people to overlook the connotations of the name idea as a failed hypothesis at this point. I'm not sure how aware the non-native-English speakers are of how far the name is outside of the Overton Window, but I can assure you it's not even close. It's not worth the effort to try to make it socially acceptable. You can choose to ignore that fact, but you can't deny that it has a very large influence on the pace of development. Rockwalrus ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership:
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
To put it into perspective, do a Google Image search for gimp, and see the ratio of GIMP project images to fetishy Pulp Fiction swag. The internet has voted on this one already, and it's an overwhelming majority in favour of GIMP being a FOSS image manipulation program. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:07 PM, C R caj...@gmail.com wrote: Come to think of it, I'd like to see more GIMP teeshirts. Is there somewhere where we can submit designs for them, where profits go to the project? On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:03 PM, C R caj...@gmail.com wrote: I'm an American (US citizen even), and the name GIMP is just fine. For the record, I have no issues wearing a GIMP teeshirt. Be thankful that the name was changed in 1995 from The GIMP to just GIMP, following the realisation that the movie Pulp Fiction would forever taint the name in the minds of those who care more about what a program is called than what it does. Given the sheer quantity of GIMP tutorials on YouTube, it's obviously wildly popular in the English-speaking (US and non-US) world. If rich kids's parents in private schools turn their nose up at GIMP just because the acronym spells something that isn't marketed to them directly, then they will have no issues buying/subscribing to Photoshop, which is a usable substitute for GIMP. Not ideal, I'll grant you, but well, beggars and choosers and such. ;) One last solution (since the name will not change) might be to append the version number after GIMP, so they could call it GIMP 2.8, which would disambiguate it from the fetishy Quentin Tarantino character (as if that mistake could actually be made). My two cents, and I am a career graphic designer and long, long time Photoshop user (since Photoshop was ver 2.5, up through CS3). These days I use GIMP for all my Photoshop heavy-lifting. I always recommend GIMP to companies as a replacement for Adobe products for their photo-editing and graphic design needs. Not one has even mentioned the name being an issue. Why would they? GIMP goes right along with Google, Yahoo, and a myriad of other silly named things that people also don't care about. The most common questions I get are Are you sure this is free?, and No, really? This is free? I can use this for professional purposes?. Sure, there will always be some people who don't like the name. Maybe a page directing them to some of the finer points made in these conversations, and suggestions for calling it something else like G.I.M.P. or GnuIMP, or GIMP 2.8. or pronouncing it JIMP as none of these require changing the name of the program. -C On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Nathan Summers rockwal...@gmail.com wrote: Grr, when did GMail change the default from reply-to-list to reply-to-author? On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: 28 апр. 2015 г. 8:22 пользователь Sam Bagot написал: Renames have worked in the past as I see it and for the most part, as I'm sure you've heard people consider before, a product named gimp can't succeed against a product named professionally like PhotoShop. We do not make GIMP to compete against Photoshop. GIMP _is_ used at schools. Also, USA is not the only country in the world. Not even the largest one out there. So our target audience is non-English speaking photographic professionals that don't already like Photoshop? I just don't see that as a very big niche. Furthermore, I suggest you exercise nastyness elsewhere. This is a mailing list for discussing development of GIMP. There's nothing nasty about what he said. The name of the program actually is a serious impediment to the development of GIMP, and if it's not to be discussed here, then where? Sam makes several excellent points about why GIMP doesn't get the kind of professional contributions that other projects of similar stature such as the Linux kernel or Firefox, and I think there's a lot of truth to what he says. You can say that you don't care about what GIMP means in English out of some egalitarian principal that all languages should be treated equally, but as a practical matter that means that you're putting a huge barrier to developing in place for the largest part of the software industry GDP. That has consequences. For example, I wouldn't have wanted my name associated with something called GIMP if I had known what the word meant when I started contributing to it. I highly doubt I'm the only one. Are you sure it's a good idea to shut out contributions from all but the most naive and the most calloused of the English-speaking world? I personally consider the we can get people to overlook the connotations of the name idea as a failed hypothesis at this point. I'm not sure how aware the non-native-English speakers are of how far the name is outside of the Overton Window, but I can assure you it's not even close. It's not worth the effort to try to make it
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 23:13 +0100, C R wrote: To put it into perspective, do a Google Image search for gimp, and see the ratio of GIMP project images to fetishy Pulp Fiction swag. The more common meaning of the word in English-speaking countries is a derogatory term for someone injured or disabled; for example, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gimp It is not specific to the USA (I'm not from the USA and do not live there). I write this sitting at a conference wearing a GIMP tee-shirt. But I don't wear that shirt at work. Part of my job involves accessibility. Best, Liam ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
