Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command defaultto 'New lay

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Nordholts

Given these conditions

1. GIMP wants to provide its users with a good workflow, independent and 
unaffected by other similar applications.
2. The majority of 'New layer' commands are equal, i.e. users rarely changes 
the properties (width, height, prefilled color, etc) of a new layer


I fail to see why this should not be adjusted.

According to my (quite ignorant, and I'm sorry for that) previous 
discussions on this list; condition #1 is fulfilled, so the only 
'non-proven' condition is #2 which I am pretty confident is also valid. If 
needed this could be futher investigated.


One other alternative be to provide a key-shortcut which would create a new 
layer with the previous properties, which would allow people using 
key-commands frequently to speed up their workflow. I mean it isn't 
especailly effective to neither Shift-Click nor click 'New Layer' and then 
click 'Ok'.


I'm sorry if this was interpreted as a 'bug-fix', because that is not what 
this is.




From: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command 
defaultto 'New layer with last values'

Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:01:04 -0300

inestead of that
hold shift
!
it has been dthe default through the 2.0 series, and it was not
firendly to novies.
You just hold shift whenpressing the new layer button.

thank you for your interest, an dyou are welcome to more suggestions.
But this one is not a  bug.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command defaultto 'New lay

2006-05-17 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 08:40 am, Martin Nordholts wrote:
 One other alternative be to provide a key-shortcut which would
 create a new layer with the previous properties,

which part of hold shift  in my e-mail was that hard to understand?
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command defaultto 'New lay

2006-05-17 Thread Simon Budig
Martin Nordholts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 1. GIMP wants to provide its users with a good workflow, independent and 
 unaffected by other similar applications.
 2. The majority of 'New layer' commands are equal, i.e. users rarely 
 changes the properties (width, height, prefilled color, etc) of a new layer
 
 I fail to see why this should not be adjusted.

As Joao already said, it is quite easy to create a new layer with the
default properties. Just Shift-Click on the New Layer button in the
layers dialog.

We earlier had it the other way around: Click would create the layers
with the defaults, Shift-Click would show the dialog.
We then switched it around again, because Shift-Clicking to get the
dialog, made the dialog a pretty hidden feature. Most people would not
even be aware that there is a dialog, that is pretty useful at times.

If the dialog pops up it is pretty easy to basically ignore it and hit
OK. The other way around is not so easy to solve.

Better have an undiscoverable workflow-optimization than an
undiscoverable feature.

If you know about the Shift-Click it basically is not more or less
convenient than a simple click on the button. Hence I don't see how
switching this around again would drastically improve the workflow.

I'd say, lets stick to the current solution, it works good enough (TM)
and we don't need to invent a different way to create new layers.

Bye,
Simon

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RE: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command defaultto 'New lay

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Nordholts

Actually I hadn't, but that was a good idea!

It is great that it is possible, but my hope is that creating a new layer 
would be hardcoded as easy instead of putting the responsibility on the end 
user to *make* it easy.


I am more or less awaiting comments from a 'high up' person on this subject.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [Gimp-developer] Suggestion: Make the 'New layer' command 
defaultto 'New layer with last values'

Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:24:37 -0700

Martin,

Have you considered assigning the new layer function to a key? I have 
assigned
my apostrophe to do just that and, if the need arose, I am quite confident 
that
I could request 100 new layers faster than my computer could generate them; 
all

without even leaving the image window.

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