Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP can induce De Quervain's disease
On Sunday 09 July 2006 08:10, david burzota wrote: Another alternative would be to signal the start and end of the draw operation with a key on the keyboard. It would require 2 hands, but at least relieve the need to constantly be pressing with a finger on the mouse. David From: Roel Schroeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP can induce De Quervain's disease Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:34:11 +0200 Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris schreef: On Friday 07 July 2006 12:13 am, Hector Noriega wrote: Hello, This might be a common experience (or a well-known fact) among GIMP users. I just want to say that I just recovered from De Quervain's disease after an intensive week using GIMP. I'm not familiar with the new versions of this software, but mine requires keeping both my thumb and index finger pressed against the mouse while painting ... The motive I am writing however is another one: Mr. Noriega, can you think of a better way of handling painting with the input devices found in most computers? (i.e. keyboard and mouse - maybe mic). The GIMP is comunity based, and you can help us build a better software. Even one that gets ahead the commercial counterparts in some respects. There's one relatively simple change I can think of, that could reduce problems as the one experienced by Hector: instead of requiring the user to hold the mouse button pushed down during a drawing operation, it's possible to signal the start and the end of a drawing operation with separate mouse clicks. I.e. instead of mouse down - paint operation - mouse up you could do mouse click - paint operation - mouse click. -- If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants. -- Isaac Newton Roel Schroeven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user But that would induce repetetive ovements of the arms and shoulders as you lift and move your hands. That is the same type of stress a supermarket clerk has. And we all know the problems they get... I think the tablet idea is the most functional alternative to mouse/keyboard. Maybe combined with left hand on the keyboard (if you are right handed) using the short cut keys. As little meta-ctrl-alt combos as possible to relieve finger stress It would be cool to colorcode a keyboard a la the ones available for the video editing software Final Cut Pro. -- /Rikard - email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.rikjoh.com mob:: +46 (0)763 19 76 25 Public PGP fingerprint 15 28 DF 78 67 98 B2 16 1F D3 FD C5 59 D4 B6 78 46 1C EE 56 pgpC62qmSfVwG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re:[GIMP-user] Re: GIMP can induce De Quervain's disease
Hi, Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. My message about De Quervains disease-GIMP connection was not meant to be a complaint about the GIMP or any other software. I just wanted to point out two things: 1) that we can definitely end up with painful, inflamed tendons after pressing the mouse for several hours non-interrupted, regardless of the software we are using and as harmless as a mouse might look and 2) that we dont really know how much is too much as for the pressure and time our wrists/hands can resist until we actually get the carpal tunnel syndrome or De Quervains disease. I dont play computer games, but just like the few previous times of intensive use of my mouse, I felt naturally confident that the numbness in my hand/wrist (after n hours of tension painting and retouching with GIMP) should disappear after stretching, relaxing and taking a reasonable rest. Thats maybe true for one day of work, but not for 5 days like my case, when I had to paint and retouch a bunch of old pictures in one week and GIMP was my first choice. De Quervains disease is subtle and somehow deceptive: you dont feel any pain nor any remote trace that your tendons are getting inflamed. In the morning of my last day of work, I woke up with an uncomfortable sensation in my wrist that I could not call a true pain, but I kept going anyway and finished my work. An increasing pain came afterwards, in the next days after using the GIMP and would not disappear even with relaxing exercises and long rest. I reached the point of not being able to move my right hand. Even so, I still believed the pain would go away in the next days. I was wrong, the pain increased and it took me 2 ½ months to make it disappear. After the first month, my doctor even suggested surgery. Fortunately, the corticosteroid injection, powerful medication and ice prevented me from investing at least $1500 more in wrist surgery. The conclusion : Beware of irresponsible use of the mouse. De Quervains disease is definitely deceptive and resembles a broken bone: it takes weeks/months to heal. H. Noriega ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [GIMP-user] Re: GIMP can induce De Quervain's disease
The conclusion : Beware of irresponsible use of the mouse. De Quervain’s disease is definitely deceptive and resembles a broken bone: it takes weeks/months to heal. H. Noriega And it takes 5min break per hour to avoid it. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [GIMP-user] Re: GIMP can induce De Quervain's disease
VytautasP wrote: H. Noriega wrote: The conclusion : Beware of irresponsible use of the mouse. De Quervain’s disease is definitely deceptive and resembles a broken bone: it takes weeks/months to heal. And it takes 5min break per hour to avoid it. There are even tools to remind you of this, e.g. http://www.workrave.org/ HTH, Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
