[Gimp-user] image with 16 colors

2003-12-19 Thread Conrad Newton
I have been trying to create an image with =16 colors
using the GIMP, without success.  

According to a colorcube analysis, my red-and-black 
image consists of 100 or more colors.  I thought there
were only two colors (does black even count as a color?),
but clearly I was naive.

Can someone give me a hint??  I am (obviously) a GIMP newbie.

Thanks, Conrad

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Re: [Gimp-user] image with 16 colors

2003-12-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Conrad Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have been trying to create an image with =16 colors
 using the GIMP, without success.  
 
 According to a colorcube analysis, my red-and-black 
 image consists of 100 or more colors.  I thought there
 were only two colors (does black even count as a color?),
 but clearly I was naive.

It would help if you would explain how you created that image. Perhaps
you can put it online so we can have a look.


Sven

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Re: [Gimp-user] image with 16 colors

2003-12-19 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Hi there!

On Friday 19 December 2003 13:47, Conrad Newton wrote:
 I have been trying to create an image with =16 colors
 using the GIMP, without success.

 According to a colorcube analysis, my red-and-black
 image consists of 100 or more colors.  I thought there
 were only two colors (does black even count as a color?),
 but clearly I was naive.

 Can someone give me a hint??  I am (obviously) a GIMP newbie.

So, the matter here is that printed colors are represented  
differently for printing and for screen rendering.

When you talk about two colors here, you are obviously thinking on the 
number of physical inks you'd need to print out your image. (which 
actually would be three in a home printer, but f you want more 
details on that, I will write on another e-mail, lest this one become 
huge).

Colors as displayed on the screen, however, are counted differently. 
Each shade of the same color counts as a different color. Thus a 
less intense red, is a different color than a more intense red. A Red 
with some black mixed, is neither red nor black, but encoded as 
different color.

Actually, for displaying colors on the Screen, the GIMP uses more than 
16 million different colors. Which are printed on inkjet printers 
using normally four physical inks. The printing process simulates the 
multitude of colors by half toning i.e. printing sparse dot's of 
each different ink.

Now, on the pratical side, if someone asked you to send a 16 color 
image, and you are trying to achieve that in the GIMP, go to the menu 
image,mode, indexed, set the desired number of colors there, 
and let The GIMP do its stuff. You may go back with undo, an d retry 
with different options when indexing the image to achieve better 
results.

If you have any further doubts, just write in.

Regards,
JS
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 Thanks, Conrad

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Re: [Gimp-user] image with 16 colors

2003-12-19 Thread David Neary
Hi Conrad,

Conrad Newton wrote:
 According to a colorcube analysis, my red-and-black 
 image consists of 100 or more colors.  I thought there
 were only two colors (does black even count as a color?),
 but clearly I was naive.

The borders between the red  black areas are probably
antialiased, giving several colors in between for a smooth
transition. You might see this if you zoom in on an edge.

 Can someone give me a hint??  I am (obviously) a GIMP newbie.

The indexed image type is exactly for this. You can convert your
image to indexed, and specify an optimal palette of 16 colours;
this will construct a palette to represent your image as well as
possible with the 16 colours. If you decide later that you really
want more, then comvert your image back to RGB, add the extra
stuff, and re-convert to indexed. 

A piece of advice: while some people actually work in indexed
mode, it is more usual, and easier on the sanity, to work in RGB,
and only convert to indexed as a final stage before saving the
image.

Cheers,
Dave.

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