Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/17/2014 06:56 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Oh, I was under the assumption that AdobeRGB had well defined chromaticies. If that is not the case then please consider my example moot. I am well aware that dealing with color profiles most definitely is not my area of expertise. It absolutely does

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/17/2014 07:32 PM, Ed . wrote: Elle, If you don't understand the difference between a design detail, and an implementation detail, you need to either a) go away and get to understand that difference; or b) stop commenting. I am neutral as to which you choose. Ed Again, Ed, in this

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Simos Xenitellis
] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL On 11/17/2014 07:32 PM, Ed . wrote: Elle, If you don't understand the difference between a design detail, and an implementation detail, you need to either a) go away and get to understand that difference; or b) stop commenting. I am neutral as to which

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Ed . wrote: Great! Glad to hear it! Please prove to us If you have personal issues with any of the list members, I strongly advice taking it off-list. We'd like to keep the interaction professional, thank you. Alex

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/18/2014 03:05 AM, Michael Henning wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Gez lis...@ohweb.com.ar wrote: P.s.: If you think this discussion is a waste of your time and my time, feel free to skip an answer. I don't think it's a waste of time at all, it's developer/user interaction

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/18/2014 11:00 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Convincing the babl/GEGL/GIMP devs of anything regarding color management has never been easy. For example, in 2013 I tried to explain why there is a difference between device Y vs ICC profile D50-adapted Y: *

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Simon Budig
As a small aside... Alexandre Prokoudine (alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com) wrote: We'd like to keep the interaction professional, thank you. I'd like to ask everyone involved in this discussion to remove the gimp-user mailinglist from the CC-list. The level of this discussion really is hardcore

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Michael Henning did understand and did make appropriate changes to babl's hard-coded sRGB Y values. But I doubt whether any of the other devs understood; if they did, babl wouldn't still use D65 device sRGB to convert to XYZ before converting

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Elle. The following is my understanding, when pippin answers his answers have more authority than mine. Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: Putting aside coding considerations that might affect other software that uses babl and GEGL, here's my understanding of your current

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/17/2014 10:46 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Elle. The following is my understanding, when pippin answers his answers have more authority than mine. Hi Simon, I appreciate your answers, but the points you make aren't actually relevant to the questions that I wanted to ask Pippin. This is

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Elle Stone
On 11/17/2014 05:41 PM, Mikael Magnusson wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: On 11/17/2014 10:46 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I don't think that this is decided yet, I actually consider it unlikely at the moment. I think it might be more likely

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Simon Budig
Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: A slight preface here. I don't consider it important to focus on the *storage* of the pixel data, as in the actual bulk memory for the pixel data. If you choose to *store* the user's RGB data using chromaticities not of user's choosing,

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Simon Budig si...@budig.de wrote: If there were chromaticies for a given userRGB which are widely used in a lot of real world applications, then it might make sense to support them in a similiar way like we currently do for the sRGB primaries. Nah, we only

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

2014-11-17 Thread Ed .
, November 17, 2014 11:52 PM To: Mikael Magnusson Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org ; gimp-developer-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL On 11/17/2014 05:41 PM, Mikael Magnusson wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Elle Stone ellest