Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.
08 янв. 2014 г. 11:02 пользователь FallenLegend for...@gimpusers.com написал: No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs the time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really free. It's just a matter of perspective. Things that make no sense to you make a perfect sense to others, and vice versa. Why not pay them for their hard work? why we don't pay for developers to work in open source like GIMP as if it was a job?. Gimp is an will always be free but Why we not as users pay to have developers work on this proyect? Again, a matter of perspective. Also, a matter of background. Not every team is ready to do the paperwork, the coordination work etc. Not every team thinks that having community as a boss is a great idea. Not every team has developers available for full-time work. Some developers go as far as refusing to accept donations altogether. I think one day we as fans of gimp should have this option. To pay developers to work fro GIMP The future will show :) Personally, I agree with you on quite a few pointa. But at the same time I respect the team's view that centralized paid work is not a good idea at this time. Alexandre ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:39:12AM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:02:01AM +0100, FallenLegend wrote: No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs the time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really free. I stop here, there is a big misunderstanding. using the word libre instead of free helps a lot... I reckon I was too concise. I meant that that stress upon the money does not tell you the whole story. Free is about freedom. Often developers asked no money but just programming help. IMHO money (usually) just leads to diverge projects from the useful to the marketing / popular / fashion requests and that seriously hurts free projects like GIMP. There is a reason why althought so few the free developers produce such high quality software: they have no bosses. They decide on their own. This behaviour is not error free but usually produce far more efficient, better and error free code. Compare the results with so many 24h programmers Adobe Photoshop sports and how trementulsy efficients are GIMP devs. I know that GIMP devs are on average smarter than Adobe ones ;-) but that does not explain this fact. I believe freedom is smarter and the only way to keep it smart is staying away from money. You COULD introduce money but you have to do it without constrains, and IMHO this is a very difficoult thing to do. I myself have no idea on how it could be done. Please. forgive my bad english. -- Marco Ciampa L'utopia sta all'orizzonte. Mi avvicino di due passi, lei si allontana di due passi. Faccio dieci passi e l'orizzonte si allontana di dieci passi. Per quanto cammini, non la raggiungerò mai. A cosa serve l'utopia? A questo: serve a camminare. Eduardo Galeano ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.
... I believe freedom is smarter and the only way to keep it smart is staying away from money. You COULD introduce money but you have to do it without constrains, All I can say is that as long as progs. like PhotoShop cost as much as they do, I'll be sticking to the completely free stuff that the generous developers of the world are putting out. They have my gratitude, if not my money (can't afford it). Joe J. -- SirCrow (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.
No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs the time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really free. Yes we all know the ideal that GNU and open source is to remove the power from evil and greedy corporations and give true freedom to the people. But the truth is that ... many professionals and people foreign to the opensource ideals still prefer any paid software. Call people like adobe greedy for creative cloud as much as you want but the truth is having money gives you power and people are willing to pay the overpriced photoshop because regardless of the pricetag is a quality software worth the price and because many people would rather pay for something that works rather to use something free that doesn't. (I am not talking about GIMP) Software like photoshop, acorn ,corel painter sketchbook pro etc have professionals that work at least 8 hours a day to create a quality product. I love gimp and I admire what the developers do (seriously working for free and give us something so amazing) You guys rock!. But let's stop kidding ourselves that unpaid software will match private software anytime soon. not becuase Gimp developers aren't extremely talented but becuase they simply can't work on this full time. Why rely on the free time of talented developers and donations (aka pay when you feel like it that nobody uses?. Why not pay them for their hard work? why we don't pay for developers to work in open source like GIMP as if it was a job?. Gimp is an will always be free but Why we not as users pay to have developers work on this proyect? The software itself might be free but the hard work it costs to make has a value and ergo isn't free. Think of the GEGL transition. Wouldn't we already be done with some extra paid work?. I think one day we as fans of gimp should have this option. To pay developers to work fro GIMP Have a nice day! -- FallenLegend (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:02:01AM +0100, FallenLegend wrote: No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs the time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really free. I stop here, there is a big misunderstanding. using the word libre instead of free helps a lot... -- Marco Ciampa L'utopia sta all'orizzonte. Mi avvicino di due passi, lei si allontana di due passi. Faccio dieci passi e l'orizzonte si allontana di dieci passi. Per quanto cammini, non la raggiungerò mai. A cosa serve l'utopia? A questo: serve a camminare. Eduardo Galeano ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
