Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:04:10 -0400 > From: ad...@pilobilus.net > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats > > [snip] ... so our troll promptly hijacks the new thread, cuts out all the > original content > and "returns the discussion" to his (or her) one and only talking > point. Shh, don't encourage it to come back. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats
On 09/13/2012 04:26 AM, maderios wrote: > On 09/13/2012 04:32 AM, Steve Kinney wrote >> On 09/12/2012 09:50 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> >>> [...] Ask how many print shops support psd files but not xcf? > Hi > This is not THE problem. They accept all other formats, png, tiff, etc > I >> would bet that number would be> 20:1 and one way to change that >> would be to try to push the xcf usage among professional artists > > I agree with you but the Gimp team target is the opposite. Le last > change concerning "save save as" function in Gimp-2.8 is not > ergonomic at all. This is done so that amateur users do not lose > work. I heard to say here that some people don't save their work... > So the Gimp developers separate the function "save save as" into two > functions according to the file type, .xcf or not xcf. > I think that Gimp will stay a software for amateurs. So... A new thread with a new name and completely different topic spins off of our presently infamous troll thread And our troll promptly hijacks the new thread, cuts out all the original content and "returns the discussion" to his (or her) one and only talking point. >From our troll's perspective, the new thread had to die, and it had to die fast: I cast Adobe-sanctioned certification programs in a bad light, and I reported a real world observation of Photoshop losing its monopoly status in the professional image composition market. An oblique response to the content of my thread-starter post? "Gimp will stay a software for amateurs." That's an irrational counter-argument to the plain fact that the GIMP can and does successfully compete with Photoshop in the professional graphics world. The fact that I am paid to use it is living proof. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: > Over five years I saw a steady trend among the stream of print > vendors who crossed my path: The "Photoshop or else" paradigm went > from being fairly common to being very rare. Maybe the imploding > U.S. economy drove vendors who were unable to survive in an "adapt > or die" market out of business. Maybe the shrinking market drove > "graphics professionals" with certification but no experience or > ability out of work, improving the average technical capability of > print shops. Maybe the exponential growth of the GIMP user base > flooded the market with non-Photoshop source files - each a purchase > order waiting to happen. (IMO it was all three.) I'd say the latter is unlikely. We still need to introduce quite a few things to make GIMP produce files of the quality that is required for professional printing. And even then it would be missing things like GCR that seems to be absent from LIttleCMS and Argyll (that is, no low hanging fruit available). Printing is a very conservative industry (for a good reason, too). It's going to take quite a while to even get the industry (en masse) have another go at GIMP. By the way, if anyone has GIMP success stories with pretty pictures, please contact me. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:26:58 +0200 > From: mader...@gmail.com > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats > > On 09/13/2012 04:32 AM, Steve Kinney wrote > > On 09/12/2012 09:50 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > > >> [...] Ask how many print shops support psd files but not xcf? > Hi > This is not THE problem. They accept all other formats, png, tiff, etc > I > > would bet that number would be> 20:1 and one way to change that > > would be to try to push the xcf usage among professional artists > > I agree with you but the Gimp team target is the opposite. Le last > change concerning "save save as" function in Gimp-2.8 is not ergonomic > at all. This is done so that amateur users do not lose work. I heard to > say here that some people don't save their work... So the Gimp > developers separate the function "save save as" into two functions > according to the file type, .xcf or not xcf. > I think that Gimp will stay a software for amateurs. > Greetings > > -- > Maderios > The subject of THIS thread is print shops and what file formats they accept, not the save/export issue. Take the latter over there. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Print shops & file formats
On 09/13/2012 04:32 AM, Steve Kinney wrote On 09/12/2012 09:50 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote: [...] Ask how many print shops support psd files but not xcf? Hi This is not THE problem. They accept all other formats, png, tiff, etc I would bet that number would be> 20:1 and one way to change that would be to try to push the xcf usage among professional artists I agree with you but the Gimp team target is the opposite. Le last change concerning "save save as" function in Gimp-2.8 is not ergonomic at all. This is done so that amateur users do not lose work. I heard to say here that some people don't save their work... So the Gimp developers separate the function "save save as" into two functions according to the file type, .xcf or not xcf. I think that Gimp will stay a software for amateurs. Greetings -- Maderios "Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures." "L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
