Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Josh Triplett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:27:04PM +, Eric Wong wrote: > > As for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it, > > yet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are > > one-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along > > with public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting > > anything I do, really. > > Please take this as encouragement to do so. I'd love to see the > public-inbox equivalent to the main page of https://lists.debian.org/ , > as an example. (And I'd love to have public-inbox archives of Debian > mailing lists.) Just pushed out some POD (which should build to manpages), so maybe early adopters can start hosting mirrors themselves(*). https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160907004907.1479-...@80x24.org/ I hope public-inbox-overview(7) is a good starting point (along with the existing INSTALL) and there'll be more docs coming at some point... Writing documentation tends to make my attention span drift all over the place; so maybe parts don't make sense or were glossed over, but I'll be glad to help clarify anything. (Responding to emails is generally easier for me since I can answer things specifically, tough to do for generic docs) I'll try to get a tarball release out soonish, but my schedule is unpredictable. (*) None of the code has had any security audit, yet; and there's no warranty of course.
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Philip Oakley wrote: > Would including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible? Maybe to the > www-design page or whatever, just to make the users aware of the wider > resourses, and a few key ways of entering search queries (such as the > "gmane:123456" which gets that msg, while "gmane/123456" will get all > messages that refered to that message (pure text search).. Finally added https://public-inbox.org/git/_/text/help/ I actually totally overdid some things and trimmed it down before publishing because I felt like it was becoming it's own wiki :x https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160818095150.17118-...@80x24.org/T/ Anyways, I'm still thinking there might be too much or too little detail. I don't know how well-known Atom feeds are, even. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:27:04PM +, Eric Wong wrote: > Josh Triplett wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +, Eric Wong wrote: > > > Jakub Narębski wrote: > > > > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just > > > > directory index, not a true home page. > > > > > > +Cc m...@public-inbox.org > > > > > > I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the > > > minimalist nature of plain-text email. > > > > > > In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/ > > > homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each > > > public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code > > > branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled. > > > > It'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far > > as I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/. > > I'm not sure that's necessary; most of the traffic seems to come > from /git/MESSAGE_ID/ links posted by others. So it's > probably more inside-out exposure than anything. If someone hears about public-inbox, it's nice to know what other lists they can use it for. > As for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it, > yet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are > one-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along > with public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting > anything I do, really. Please take this as encouragement to do so. I'd love to see the public-inbox equivalent to the main page of https://lists.debian.org/ , as an example. (And I'd love to have public-inbox archives of Debian mailing lists.) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Josh Triplett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +, Eric Wong wrote: > > Jakub Narębski wrote: > > > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just > > > directory index, not a true home page. > > > > +Cc m...@public-inbox.org > > > > I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the > > minimalist nature of plain-text email. > > > > In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/ > > homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each > > public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code > > branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled. > > It'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far > as I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/. I'm not sure that's necessary; most of the traffic seems to come from /git/MESSAGE_ID/ links posted by others. So it's probably more inside-out exposure than anything. As for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it, yet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are one-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along with public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting anything I do, really. I do wish more people would start using the .onions, though... -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Jakub Narębski wrote: > W dniu 14.08.2016 o 23:10, Philip Oakley pisze: >> From: "Christian Couder" >>> >>> A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md >>> >>> Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the >>> above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on >>> this GitHub issue: >>> >>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170 >>> >>> You can also reply to this email. >> >> I see you mention in passing (well in the small headings near the bottom) >> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of >> the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox >> https://public-inbox.org/git/. > > It would be nice to turn it into mini-story rather than just putting > a link. Yeah, it would be also very welcome if someone could send a patch or a pull request for a mini-story about it. > Additional references / information: > > * "Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?" thread, starting with > Message-Id: <481d1ee2-6a66-418f-ab28-95947bbf3...@gmail.com> > > Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox: > > https://marc.info/?i=%s > https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s > > for finding message based on Message-Id > > NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned > in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated) > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity > > * "Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?" short note / article on LWN.net, > https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake], > part of "Announcements" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section > of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016 > (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/) Thanks for this. Maybe you could just add those in a pull request or a patch to the "Git tools and sites" sub section just after the item about public-inbox? Thanks anyway! -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +, Eric Wong wrote: > Jakub Narębski wrote: > > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just > > directory index, not a true home page. > > +Cc m...@public-inbox.org > > I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the > minimalist nature of plain-text email. > > In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/ > homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each > public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code > branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled. It'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far as I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Jakub Narębski wrote: > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just > directory index, not a true home page. +Cc m...@public-inbox.org I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the minimalist nature of plain-text email. In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/ homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled. At least for now, other pages are more easily discoverable[1] but one day I hope to have repobrowse[2] running there (and maybe everywhere). For now, I am prioritizing user/admin/hacker documentation so more instances can exist. I'll probably get some online help stuff up tomorrow. [1] at least the top-level of public-inbox.org already has more content than both YHBT.net and bogomips.org combined :) [2] git clone -b repobrowse https://public-inbox.org/ ... (idle the moment: think cgit|gitweb with the same (lack of) style as public-inbox, +search, +mail thread integration) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
W dniu 15.08.2016 o 20:08, Jakub Narębski pisze: [...] > Additional references / information: > > * "Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?" thread, starting with > Message-Id: <481d1ee2-6a66-418f-ab28-95947bbf3...@gmail.com> > > Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox: > > https://marc.info/?i=%s > https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s > > for finding message based on Message-Id > > NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned > in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated) > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity > > * "Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?" short note / article on LWN.net, > https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake], > part of "Announcements" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section > of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016 > (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/) * "A note from the maintainer" from 12 Aug 2016 Message-Id: includes updated links to mailing list archives, post-Gmane, and some discussion about public-archive.org -- Jakub Narębski -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
W dniu 14.08.2016 o 23:10, Philip Oakley pisze: > From: "Christian Couder" >> >> A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here: >> >> >> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md >> >> Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the >> above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on >> this GitHub issue: >> >> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170 >> >> You can also reply to this email. > > I see you mention in passing (well in the small headings near the bottom) > that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of > the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox > https://public-inbox.org/git/. It would be nice to turn it into mini-story rather than just putting a link. Additional references / information: * "Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?" thread, starting with Message-Id: <481d1ee2-6a66-418f-ab28-95947bbf3...@gmail.com> Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox: https://marc.info/?i=%s https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s for finding message based on Message-Id NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated) https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity * "Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?" short note / article on LWN.net, https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake], part of "Announcements" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016 (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/) > I've found it very useful and probably easier to use. > (now I've seen https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html) It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just directory index, not a true home page. -- Jakub Narębski -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Christian Couder writes: > >> You can also reply to this email. > > I am not sure that is to be recommended, as that ends up going to > the list, but anyway, these > > - Michael's "finding better -/+ assignment in diff using indent >heuristic" > > - Philip Oakley's updates to revision range notation documentation > > - Kevin Willford's rather clever optimization on internal patch-id >computation that is done to exclude already-applied commit while >rebasing > > are interesting/noteworthy topics that may want to be covered in the > discussion/review section. Yeah, these are great topics and I would be glad if they could be covered by someone else ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Eric Wong wrote: > Philip Oakley wrote: >> From: "Christian Couder" >> >You can also reply to this email. >> >> I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) >> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the >> alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox >> https://public-inbox.org/git/. > > Thanks, I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up > in instance I maintain via: > > public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456 Yeah, I agree that we really needed to add something about public-inbox, so I added the following: @@ -147,7 +147,13 @@ __Light reading__ __Git tools and sites__ -* Gmane (a mailing list archive that was used heavily by some Git developers) [shut down its web site](https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502). +* Gmane (a mailing list archive that was used heavily by some Git developers) +[shut down its web site](https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502). +* [public-inbox](https://public-inbox.org/), which is under heavy developement by Eric Wong, has +[a git archive](https://public-inbox.org/git/) that is now used a lot instead of Gmane. +[It allows](https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html) looking up +existing Gmane links using their Gmane id with URLs like +`http://public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456`. ## Credits --- (See: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/commit/66d72b0bd9ef38587dd7d5c4c6825a7984f2f2af) Thanks! -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Philip Oakley wrote: > From: "Eric Wong" > >Philip Oakley wrote: > >>From: "Christian Couder" > >>>You can also reply to this email. > >> > >>I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) > >>that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of > >>the > >>alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox > >>https://public-inbox.org/git/. > > > >Thanks, > > Would including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible? Yes, there'll definitely be online help with generic instructions and also instructions specific to each instance so things like "gmane:N" can be documented. There's also bunch of search prefixes I need to document, like "s:" for subject and whatever the built-in timestamp/date range parser for Xapian is. I keep forgetting the Xapian query syntax myself! -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
From: "Eric Wong" Philip Oakley wrote: From: "Christian Couder" >You can also reply to this email. I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox https://public-inbox.org/git/. Thanks, Would including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible? Maybe to the www-design page or whatever, just to make the users aware of the wider resourses, and a few key ways of entering search queries (such as the "gmane:123456" which gets that msg, while "gmane/123456" will get all messages that refered to that message (pure text search).. I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up in instance I maintain via: public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456 [snip] -- Philip -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Philip Oakley wrote: > From: "Christian Couder" > >You can also reply to this email. > > I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) > that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the > alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox > https://public-inbox.org/git/. Thanks, I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up in instance I maintain via: public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456 It might be worth it to convert numeric links to Message-IDs in older editions, as I also published a mapping at: https://public-inbox.org/.temp/gmane.comp.version-control.git-300599.txt.gz > I've found it very useful and probably easier to use. (now I've seen > https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html) Based on closer reading of RFC3986, section 3.3, I deployed a change to URL generation last night so the "%40" escape for '@' no longer shows up in generated URLs (along with a few other characters): https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160814105152.21925-...@80x24.org/ It might be worth updating this edition to avoid the percent escaping since it might confuse users about what the Message-IDs are (and to avoid users passing "%40" into their MUA) Old URLs will always continue working, of course. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
From: "Christian Couder" Hi, A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on this GitHub issue: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170 You can also reply to this email. I tried to cc everyone who appears in this edition but maybe I missed some people, sorry about that. Thomas, Nicola and myself plan to publish this edition on Wednesday August 17. Sorry for the late draft again. Thanks, Christian. -- I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox https://public-inbox.org/git/. I've found it very useful and probably easier to use. (now I've seen https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html) -- Philip -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Christian Couder writes: > You can also reply to this email. I am not sure that is to be recommended, as that ends up going to the list, but anyway, these - Michael's "finding better -/+ assignment in diff using indent heuristic" - Philip Oakley's updates to revision range notation documentation - Kevin Willford's rather clever optimization on internal patch-id computation that is done to exclude already-applied commit while rebasing are interesting/noteworthy topics that may want to be covered in the discussion/review section. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Draft of Git Rev News edition 18
Hi, A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on this GitHub issue: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170 You can also reply to this email. I tried to cc everyone who appears in this edition but maybe I missed some people, sorry about that. Thomas, Nicola and myself plan to publish this edition on Wednesday August 17. Sorry for the late draft again. Thanks, Christian. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
