Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-15 Thread Stefano Lattarini

On 08/14/2013 09:57 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Johannes Sixt  writes:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>> Stefano's use-case, where @/foo is turned into HEAD/foo,
>> indicates a bug.
>>
>> In my opinion, the topic, which touches a central part of ref
>> handling, was a bit hurried (and this report is a symptom of it), and
>> I wouldn't mind seeing it reverted.
>
> Thanks; you said it much better than I did.  I think the short-hand
> is not a bad idea by itself, but the execution may need to be redone
> a bit more carefully, and it is prudent to revert it from the
> upcoming release.
>
Thanks both for taking care of this issue with the usual speed and
clarity.

Best regards,
  Stefano
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Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
Johannes Sixt  writes:

> Am 14.08.2013 20:05, schrieb Junio C Hamano:
>> Stefano Lattarini  writes:
>>
>>> My problems is that some new automagical interpretation of the bare
>>> @' character (introduced after 1.8.3) has destroyed my use case:
>>> ...
>>> I don't want to ask you to revert this new behaviour, but I'd like to
>>> at least have an option to disable it.
>>
>> I do not think it is simply not worth the complexity to selectively
>> disable it.  If it is a regression, it is much better to simply
>> revert, if we can (it appears that cdfd9483 (Add new @ shortcut for
>> HEAD, 2013-05-07) can be reverted without any textual context, but
>> there may already be new stuff that depends on the "@").
>>
>> For the upcoming release, I am very much tempted to revert it and
>> let the topic retried, by people who really want the "let's save
>> four keystrokes and replace it with @ aka Shift-",
>> without hurting your use case (and others), after the upcoming
>> release.
>>
>> What do others think?
>
> Stefano's use-case, where @/foo is turned into HEAD/foo, indicates a bug.
>
> In my opinion, the topic, which touches a central part of ref
> handling, was a bit hurried (and this report is a symptom of it), and
> I wouldn't mind seeing it reverted.

Thanks; you said it much better than I did.  I think the short-hand
is not a bad idea by itself, but the execution may need to be redone
a bit more carefully, and it is prudent to revert it from the
upcoming release.
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Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-14 Thread Johannes Sixt

Am 14.08.2013 20:05, schrieb Junio C Hamano:

Stefano Lattarini  writes:


My problems is that some new automagical interpretation of the bare
@' character (introduced after 1.8.3) has destroyed my use case:
...
I don't want to ask you to revert this new behaviour, but I'd like to
at least have an option to disable it.


I do not think it is simply not worth the complexity to selectively
disable it.  If it is a regression, it is much better to simply
revert, if we can (it appears that cdfd9483 (Add new @ shortcut for
HEAD, 2013-05-07) can be reverted without any textual context, but
there may already be new stuff that depends on the "@").

For the upcoming release, I am very much tempted to revert it and
let the topic retried, by people who really want the "let's save
four keystrokes and replace it with @ aka Shift-",
without hurting your use case (and others), after the upcoming
release.

What do others think?


Stefano's use-case, where @/foo is turned into HEAD/foo, indicates a bug.

In my opinion, the topic, which touches a central part of ref handling, 
was a bit hurried (and this report is a symptom of it), and I wouldn't 
mind seeing it reverted.


-- Hannes

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Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-14 Thread Stefano Lattarini

[re-sending to the list, sorry Junio for the duplicate mail]

On 08/14/2013 07:05 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Stefano Lattarini  writes:
>
>> My problems is that some new automagical interpretation of the bare
>> @' character (introduced after 1.8.3) has destroyed my use case:
>> ...
>> I don't want to ask you to revert this new behaviour, but I'd like to
>> at least have an option to disable it.
>
> I do not think it is simply not worth the complexity to selectively
> disable it.  If it is a regression, it is much better to simply
> revert, if we can (it appears that cdfd9483 (Add new @ shortcut for
> HEAD, 2013-05-07) can be reverted without any textual context, but
> there may already be new stuff that depends on the "@").
>
I'm not sure I want to force a revert simply to cater to a personal 
idiom of mine (and not that important).  I'd first like to hear what the 
community thinks about the issue (with silence meaning "don't revert").


> For the upcoming release, I am very much tempted to revert it and
> let the topic retried, by people who really want the "let's save
> four keystrokes and replace it with @ aka Shift-",
> without hurting your use case (and others), after the upcoming
> release.
>
> What do others think?
>
I second this question :-)

Thanks,
  Stefano

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Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
Stefano Lattarini  writes:

> ...  But in that case, I'd like some assurance that such a character
> is not going to be turned into a magical character some time in the
> future ;-)

I'd say that any special letter could be considered a fair game by
the next person who would want a funky short-cut.  If you used "S"
or something, e.g. "git branch S/ropic/1" etc., it would be very
unlikely to conflict with any such future changes.
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Re: New special handing of '@' character broke my use case

2013-08-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
Stefano Lattarini  writes:

> My problems is that some new automagical interpretation of the bare
> @' character (introduced after 1.8.3) has destroyed my use case:
> ...
> I don't want to ask you to revert this new behaviour, but I'd like to
> at least have an option to disable it.

I do not think it is simply not worth the complexity to selectively
disable it.  If it is a regression, it is much better to simply
revert, if we can (it appears that cdfd9483 (Add new @ shortcut for
HEAD, 2013-05-07) can be reverted without any textual context, but
there may already be new stuff that depends on the "@").

For the upcoming release, I am very much tempted to revert it and
let the topic retried, by people who really want the "let's save
four keystrokes and replace it with @ aka Shift-",
without hurting your use case (and others), after the upcoming
release.

What do others think?

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