Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-07-17 Thread Bishan Singh
Greetings to all. I thank both Peter Burgess and Guido Sohne for starting an important debate on development. Is development about replicating success and ensuring scarce resources are used wisely.? Yes, this is happening in communities where there is no intervention from the government or the

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-07-10 Thread Peter Burgess
In a message dated 6/25/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there are computer donation programmes that go beyond one-off donations? What if after a while people using donated computers need upgrading and/or replacement? Who takes responsibility for meeting with the created

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-30 Thread Karen Higgs
Udit Chaudhuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the only way this would work is to: 1 Collect computers used and donated in the command area itself, say executives and offices of international companies and other organisations who have imported the computers 3-4 years ago and are upgrading

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-27 Thread Roberto Verzola
To all who donate computers to developing countries (or local intermediaries who solicit donations): Have you ever considered simply sending the cash instead, with the final recipient (not the local intermediary) deciding how to spend the cash themselves? If the computers are already zero value

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-27 Thread Lessard, George
Here in Nunavut, Canada we take donated computers and the young folks in our high schools are shown how to check and recondition them and then they are distributed to the schools or the Internet Access points in the communities... George Lessard, Media Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moderates

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-27 Thread Vickram Crishna
At 9:46 PM +0100 25/06/2003, Tony Roberts wrote: What we need to do is make an appropriate distinction between dumping and providing quality, fully refurbished, Pentium PCs into contexts where the appropriate capacity is already in place to make productive use of them. This means that secure

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-26 Thread Udit Chaudhuri
Besides shipping, I would surmise some basic inspection, reconditioning and local support costs - possibly extending to support personnel training and motivation. All this would further jack up the overall cost per computer. Perhaps the only way this would work is to: 1Collect computers used

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-26 Thread Tony Roberts
The thing is that a lot of useless computers ARE dumped in developing countries. There are waste disposal companies in the UK and elsewhere who pay state governments in India and China (for example) to dump unprocessed electronic waste in their backyard. And there have also been some well

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-26 Thread Sandeep Saxena
Simon Woodside wrote: What about importing to small businesses instead? instead of donating the computers, provide them at cost to small business owners who can resell them and provide support services? Hi All, We are a small Social Enterprise working mainly for Income generation using

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-25 Thread Maartje Op de Coul
Does anyone know if there are computer donation programmes that go beyond one-off donations? What if after a while people using donated computers need upgrading and/or replacement? Who takes responsibility for meeting with the created (long term) expectations of using computers? Maartje Op de

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-25 Thread S Woodside
What about importing to small businesses instead? instead of donating the computers, provide them at cost to small business owners who can resell them and provide support services? simon On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Raju Dev Acharya wrote: I totally agree with Guido Sohne. In Nepal I

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-24 Thread Raju Dev Acharya
I totally agree with Guido Sohne. In Nepal I can buy a new PIII for US$300. Also importing PC for distribution into the country takes a lot of time and effort due to the never ending red tape and can take months. This increases the cost of the PC if the cost incurred in the host country is added

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-24 Thread Timothy Anderson
I write to correct some errors in the discussion related to our current costs. www.WorldComputerExchange.org sources and tests donated computers for partners in developing countries. Based on the current amount of computers we ship, the share of costs we must receive per donated Pentium is

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-24 Thread Roland Lubett
I've been following with interest the discussion about sending computers to the Third World. The rationale is clear: * many countries are desperate for computing power, for schools, training, productivity, but cannot afford the latest hardware and software * literally millions of computers are

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-21 Thread Larry Njungu
To My learned, advanced and updated colleagues on this forum. It is not my intention to divert the current discussions or even to draw you back on issues that you may have already probably discussed in the past. I still get back to the first issue I earlier raised on procurement of the so called

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-21 Thread John Hibbs
I have been down this used p.c. road to a very great extent. In fact, I spent several days in the Chicago area with a first class outfit that supplies good used p.c.'s to the Illinois school system. They come licensed by Microsoft with a later Windows 2000 o.s. and a monitor for about $150. FOB

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-21 Thread Guido Sohne
I was in a thread elsewhere that discussed this same issue and I also thought that shipping used PCs makes perfect sense. The problem is the actual cost of the used PCs when other overheads are taken into account. Appended is an excerpt from an email I wrote concerning this:-

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-19 Thread Theophane Kinda
As a head of NTIC programme in Burkina Faso let me emphasize the fact that the gap between third world and developed courties is so high that we cannot make any comparison. I am also convinced that second hand computers may be of some help in third world. As you know more than 2/3 of the

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-17 Thread Timothy Anderson
In resonse to Larry Njungu of Zambia, you can visit www.WorldComputerExchange.org to see how we can source donated computers in Scandinavia, Germany, and the USA for you to use to connect youth to the Internet. We also have online support services to help you through the first years of getting

Re: [GKD] RFI: Computer Donations To The Third World

2003-06-17 Thread Daniel Makundi
In support of Mr. Njungu. I have always protested aloud whenever I hear someone mentioning in a meeting something to the effect they are turning 3rd world countries into obsolete computer dumping ground. There is nothing like obsolete here: a 486/66 pc with 500 MB HDD and 16 MB RAM will nicely