Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Will Hill]

I'm not sure there's any browser that "works" the way users expect.  The world 
wide web has become an intractable tangle of non free software and digital 
restrictions.  The internet itself is run by effective monopolies that 
selfishly exploit their position to thwart competitors and invade new 
markets.  I shudder to think of how non free software my wife's Chromebooks 
and Android tablets spy on everyone in my house.  They light up when she 
coughs in the night.  I watch her devices stutter on throttled streams and on 
crash on a daily basis.  As expected, the sheep are lead to slaughter by the 
strongest rustler.  

Free software works better in some ways but it will never keep up with nasty 
publishers.  I'm unable to watch the streams my wife is interested in with 
Debian, Trisquel, or GnewSense, much less capture them for her, but have to 
admit that I don't try very hard.  I'm barely able to read the news I'm 
interested in by using cutycapt scripts to convert web pages to pdf.  
Academic journals are placed behind nasty paywalls and can not be accessed 
without new versions of Chromium browser.  I suffer the same kinds of 
throttling my wife does and it has been about eight years since I've been 
able to run X over ssh from my house to work.  This is the internet and world 
wide web that incumbent publishers want.  It excludes freedom.  

On Saturday 16 March 2019, Johan Andersson wrote:
> Iceweasel 31.5.0 hangs sometimes for me and has to be force quited.
> Time to ask at the relavant debian forum about this and have IceCat as
> an option.



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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Narcis Garcia]

In a Debian 9 environment I'm using IceCat 52.3.0 from Trisquel APT
repositories. It works.


El 16/3/19 a les 7:36, Johan Andersson ha escrit:
> Iceweasel 31.5.0 hangs sometimes for me and has to be force quited.
> Time to ask at the relavant debian forum about this and have IceCat as
> an option.
> 
> 
> <-Ursprungligt Meddelande->
>       *From: Narcis Garcia [informat...@actiu.net]*
> Sent: 10/8/2017 8:21:09 AM
> To: gnewsense-users@nongnu.org
> Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser 
> 
> In the meanwhile, Iceweasel/Firefox is not a better option than Icecat.
> One reason to IceCat lacks of developers/contributors is the lack of
> distribution to users.
> 
> 
> 
> El 09/08/17 a les 22:42, Sam Geeraerts ha escrit:
>> Op Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:55:42 +0200
>> schreef Narcis Garcia :
>>
>>> Here is the information concerning to this proposal:
>>> https://bugs.debian.org/637348
>>>
>>> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their
>>> repositories.
>>
>> It makes a lot of sense for a free distro to include IceCat. And I must
>> admit that our Iceweasel is not in the state I would like it to be. But
>> I unsubscribed from Gnuzilla's mailing list a few months ago because I
>> got really tired of all the complaints, demands and rants without much
>> constructive contributions coming in. I think a discussion about what
>> we want a browser for a free distro to look like is needed and it's
>> also a continuous evaluation, but the IceCat community does/did not
>> seem to be welcoming to that.
>>
>> So I'm currently not looking at IceCat. I might check it out again in
>> some time, hopefully getting a more positive impression then.
>>
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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Johan Andersson]

Iceweasel 31.5.0 hangs sometimes for me and has to be force quited.
Time to ask at the relavant debian forum about this and have IceCat as
an option.



<-Ursprungligt Meddelande->

From: Narcis Garcia [informat...@actiu.net]
Sent: 10/8/2017 8:21:09 AM
To: gnewsense-users@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web
browser 

In the meanwhile, Iceweasel/Firefox is not a better option than Icecat. 
One reason to IceCat lacks of developers/contributors is the lack of 
distribution to users. 



El 09/08/17 a les 22:42, Sam Geeraerts ha escrit: 
> Op Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:55:42 +0200 
> schreef Narcis Garcia : 
> 
>> Here is the information concerning to this proposal: 
>> https://bugs.debian.org/637348 
>> 
>> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their 
>> repositories. 
> 
> It makes a lot of sense for a free distro to include IceCat. And I
must 
> admit that our Iceweasel is not in the state I would like it to be.
But 
> I unsubscribed from Gnuzilla's mailing list a few months ago because
I 
> got really tired of all the complaints, demands and rants without
much 
> constructive contributions coming in. I think a discussion about what 
> we want a browser for a free distro to look like is needed and it's 
> also a continuous evaluation, but the IceCat community does/did not 
> seem to be welcoming to that. 
> 
> So I'm currently not looking at IceCat. I might check it out again in 
> some time, hopefully getting a more positive impression then. 
> 
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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Johan Andersson]

Problem whit IceCat:

./icecat
./icecat: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version
`GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found (required by ./icecat)
./icecat: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not
found (required by ./icecat)
./icecat: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not
found (required by ./icecat)

Same problem as whit ohter programs inkl Anki and Twine!
IceWeasel is outdated:
https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ 
This has to be fixed. Almost as bad as outdated and foulty SSL/HTTPS
function.



<-Ursprungligt Meddelande->

From: Narcis Garcia [informat...@actiu.net]
Sent: 10/8/2017 9:21:09 AM
To: gnewsense-users@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web
browser 

In the meanwhile, Iceweasel/Firefox is not a better option than Icecat. 
One reason to IceCat lacks of developers/contributors is the lack of 
distribution to users. 



El 09/08/17 a les 22:42, Sam Geeraerts ha escrit: 
> Op Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:55:42 +0200 
> schreef Narcis Garcia : 
> 
>> Here is the information concerning to this proposal: 
>> https://bugs.debian.org/637348 
>> 
>> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their 
>> repositories. 
> 
> It makes a lot of sense for a free distro to include IceCat. And I
must 
> admit that our Iceweasel is not in the state I would like it to be.
But 
> I unsubscribed from Gnuzilla's mailing list a few months ago because
I 
> got really tired of all the complaints, demands and rants without
much 
> constructive contributions coming in. I think a discussion about what 
> we want a browser for a free distro to look like is needed and it's 
> also a continuous evaluation, but the IceCat community does/did not 
> seem to be welcoming to that. 
> 
> So I'm currently not looking at IceCat. I might check it out again in 
> some time, hopefully getting a more positive impression then. 
> 
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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Narcis Garcia]

In the meanwhile, Iceweasel/Firefox is not a better option than Icecat.
One reason to IceCat lacks of developers/contributors is the lack of
distribution to users.



El 09/08/17 a les 22:42, Sam Geeraerts ha escrit:
> Op Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:55:42 +0200
> schreef Narcis Garcia :
> 
>> Here is the information concerning to this proposal:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/637348
>>
>> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their
>> repositories.
> 
> It makes a lot of sense for a free distro to include IceCat. And I must
> admit that our Iceweasel is not in the state I would like it to be. But
> I unsubscribed from Gnuzilla's mailing list a few months ago because I
> got really tired of all the complaints, demands and rants without much
> constructive contributions coming in. I think a discussion about what
> we want a browser for a free distro to look like is needed and it's
> also a continuous evaluation, but the IceCat community does/did not
> seem to be welcoming to that.
> 
> So I'm currently not looking at IceCat. I might check it out again in
> some time, hopefully getting a more positive impression then.
> 
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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:55:42 +0200
schreef Narcis Garcia :

> Here is the information concerning to this proposal:
> https://bugs.debian.org/637348
> 
> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their
> repositories.

It makes a lot of sense for a free distro to include IceCat. And I must
admit that our Iceweasel is not in the state I would like it to be. But
I unsubscribed from Gnuzilla's mailing list a few months ago because I
got really tired of all the complaints, demands and rants without much
constructive contributions coming in. I think a discussion about what
we want a browser for a free distro to look like is needed and it's
also a continuous evaluation, but the IceCat community does/did not
seem to be welcoming to that.

So I'm currently not looking at IceCat. I might check it out again in
some time, hopefully getting a more positive impression then.

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Re: [gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Narcis Garcia]

Sorry +Fedora +Android +FreeSlack


El 09/08/17 a les 09:55, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> Here is the information concerning to this proposal:
> https://bugs.debian.org/637348
> 
> GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their repositories.
> 
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[gNewSense-users] Request For Packaging: IceCat web browser

[Narcis Garcia]

Here is the information concerning to this proposal:
https://bugs.debian.org/637348

GuixSD, Parabola and Trisquel already include IceCat in their repositories.

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