On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
When all else fails, RTFM. :-) Mine tells me (under ARITHMETIC
EVALUATION) that:
Constants with a leading 0 are interpreted as octal num-
bers. A leading 0x or 0X denotes hexadecimal. Otherwise,
numbers take the form
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:16:46 EDT
Thomas M. Albright said:
Which manual is that? I've been using to shell programming books,
(they're at home so I can't tell you the titles right not,)
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:16am, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
Which manual is that?
man bash
:-)
Keep in mind that this syntax may well be a Bash-specific feature. I
regard other shells as useful only for installing Bash. :-)
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:16:46 EDT
Thomas M. Albright said:
Which manual is that? I've been using to shell programming books,
(they're at home so I can't tell you the titles right not,) and the
Complete Command Reference book,
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:16am, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
Which manual is that?
man bash
:-)
Keep in mind that this syntax may well be a Bash-specific feature. I
regard other shells as useful only for installing Bash. :-)
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:32am, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
Ack! That is to say: Eek! The man page for bash is a book of it's own!
For collections of that much text, I prefer dead tree media. :)
You can't grep dead trees. :-) But, if you feel you must contribute to
global deforestation
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:34:31 EDT
Thomas M. Albright said:
There are other shells?
;)
Yeah, but only two, ksh and perl ;)
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:32:25 EDT
Thomas M. Albright said:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ack! That is to say: Eek! The man page for bash is a book of it's own!
For
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
man bash | lpr
will give you what you want.
Of course, TMTOWTDI. I've found that:
$ man -t bash | lpr
works best. This preserves all of the formatting and text decoration
that make man
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:38am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, it's a hefty tome unto itself. You might try using something like
tkman or some other graphical man page browser for heavy duty perusing.
However, man pages weren't really designed to be 'read' IMO, rather,
scanned and browsed
Hey, great bumper sticker idea!!
White letters on a green background:
You can't grep a dead tree
Catchy, geeky, and an environmentally friendly slogan.
You can even have a picture of Tux hugging a tree.
-Lawrence
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From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Hey list,
Can anyone recommend some backup software for Linux, that is known to
actually work? I'm getting really tired of fighting buggy backup programs
that fall apart at the drop of a hat, or won't do what we need to.
We have got a big server with a large RAID store -- 605 GB, to be
http://www.midwestlinux.com/products/suse/bru2000.html
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:22:23 EDT
Benjamin Scott said:
I considered Amanda. Amanda really isn't appropriate, for, as I
understand it, Amanda has to write the backup set to disk before
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:46:56 EDT
Benjamin Scott said:
While we are on the subject of shell programming, it is better to use this
let due=10#$(date +%j -d 04/01/2002)
construct.
We are using Networker from Lagato http://www.legato.com/;.
We backup all types of hosts, but so far we've only used Sun's or
SGI's as the backup servers. We've used the 4700 DLT's as well as 30
tape DLT drives and AIT tape units. All seem to have there own
problems but nothing really related
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 1:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's with the 'let' keyword? I've seen it before, but I find it's use
so rare that I just realized I don't really understand it's proper use?
It forces airthmatic evaluation, similar to $((...)) and the 'eval'
command. These all
Robert Anderson said:
We are using Networker from Lagato http://www.legato.com/;.
We backup all types of hosts, but so far we've only used Sun's or
SGI's as the backup servers. We've used the 4700 DLT's as well as 30
tape DLT drives and AIT tape units. All seem to have there own
problems but
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 12:59pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I considered Amanda. Amanda really isn't appropriate, for, as I
understand it, Amanda has to write the backup set to disk before writing
it to tape.
It doesn't *have* to, it just makes thing faster for over-the-net backups
of
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:37:18 EDT
Tom Buskey said:
Legato also has scaling issues. if you're backing up 100 machines, you
probably won't hit it. Also the internal database the use to
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:48:56 EDT
Benjamin Scott said:
Okay, I went back and checked, and I was remembering wrong. It was not
that Amanda requires using the holding disk, it was that
I currenty use Veritas Backup Exec to backup all Windows and Linux Systems
with no problems.
I am in the process of evaluating Veritas Netbackup Data Center to backup
all Windows, Linux and Silicon Graphics Systems. No major problems so far.
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Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Indeed. But until/unless someone comes up with a workable Perl command
shell, it still comes in useful. :-)
http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/psh/
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 2:53pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, if you have a single file system smaller than one tape, that's
not a problem.
Nope. :-(
Also, you can use Gnu tar such that you back up directory hierarchies
separately, and therefore don't need to have the file system
On 19 Apr 2002, at 2:58pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/psh/
Do you use this as your login shell? :-)
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
On 19 Apr 2002, at 2:58pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/psh/
Do you use this as your login shell? :-)
Eesh! A perl window manager, a perl shell.. how far off are we from the
Perlnel? or Pfree86?
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In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:48:56 EDT
Benjamin Scott said:
For example, if you have a 100GB fs, and you're using DLT IV tapes
which only take about 80GB compressed, rather than using dump to dump
the entire file system, have amanda use gnu tar to dump
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 3:44pm, Tom Buskey wrote:
If you're a huge site and you're going to heavily customize your backup
system, TSM is a good way to go.
Nope, just a single server with a moderately large filesystem.
If you just want the standard backups, Veritas Netbackup is good.
I
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 3:11pm, Jack Hodgson wrote:
If a *program*, OTOH, requests that a particular program (without path)
be started, the OS has to look *somewhere*. Under Macintosh System, the OS
only searches the System folder automatically.
I've been involved with Mac since 1984, and
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
=On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:32am, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
= Ack! That is to say: Eek! The man page for bash is a book of it's own!
= For collections of that much text, I prefer dead tree media. :)
=
= You can't grep dead trees. :-) But, if you
Ben Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eesh! A perl window manager, a perl shell.. how far off are we from the
Perlnel? or Pfree86?
I heard a rumor once that Kevin Clark was actually a (poorly behaved)
AI program, implemented in Perl.
The complete code for this experiment run amok is
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote:
If a *program*, OTOH, requests that a particular program (without path) be
started, the OS has to look *somewhere*. Under Macintosh System, the OS
only searches the System folder automatically. This led to many programs
being copied to the System
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:46:56 EDT
Benjamin Scott said:
While we are on the subject of shell programming, it is better to use this
let due=10#$(date +%j -d 04/01/2002)
construct. The $(...) syntax can be nested, and
Brian Chabot said:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote:
If a *program*, OTOH, requests that a particular program (without path) be
started, the OS has to look *somewhere*. Under Macintosh System, the OS
only searches the System folder automatically. This led to many program
Sounds to
I prefer M-x manretbashret.
Or C-h i C-s bash ret
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At some point hitherto, Thomas M. Albright hath spake thusly:
What's with the 'let' keyword?
it's the only way i know to add to variables:
today=`date +%j`
let tomorrow=$today+1
If you need your scripts to be portable, the normal way to do
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At some point hitherto, Steven W. Orr hath spake thusly:
gunzip /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | groff -pte -man | lpr
Try it :-)
This is essentially identical to Matt's man -t bash, only with a lot
more typing.
The other difference is that it
Wonder if I could get a shell account on this puppy? I'd be in first place
in S@H!
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/04/18/doe.linux.idg/index.html
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