Re: emacs vi (vim) approaches)

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:25:53 EST Tom Buskey said: My vi skills are not as good as my emacs skills. The discussion helps. I have to agree. I've always used vi et al as a quick'n'dirty editor for things I need to do real quickly. Anything that I need to spend a lot of time

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Michael O'Donnell
Screen has been around forever, which accomplishes the same thing. And, vim also supports this functionality. Well, I guess for relatively small values of 'forever' :) Here, just FYA, is a pretty good representation of history to help you calculate an upper bound for possible values of

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Jason Stephenson
Just to be picky, the MkLinux timeline ends with DR-3, the last release backed by Apple Computer. It totally ignores stuff that the community has been doing since. This matters to me because I use MkLinux Pre-R1 on my web server. Maybe I should let the person responsible for the site know

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:41:14 EST Michael O'Donnell said: Here, just FYA, is a pretty good representation of history to help you calculate an upper bound for possible values of 'forever' http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#01 Outstanding! This seems to be an extension

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Jason Stephenson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez. *Light* has some latency issues, too. I spent years at 2400 baud on dialup systems where colored text was considered an advanced feature. And I'm just a young'un. There are people on the list who remember when teletypes really did *type*. I'm only 32 (well

Re: awk assistance

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:40:47 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, at 1:04pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this type of thing were being done from a web app running from a CGI, it might turn out to be faster with perl if the use mod_perl than spawning a new awk

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Michael O'Donnell
Since screen depends on pseudo-ttys it's unlikely that it was around before they were first implemented... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

And you guys are worried about cookies?

2002-11-15 Thread Jason Stephenson
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=581e=1cid=581u=/nm/20021115/tc_nm/tech_dragnet_dc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:47:41 EST Tom Buskey said: On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 03:57:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (granted, I don't do this often, and more times than not, I ssh to the remote machine, co the file from RCS, vi it, etc.) emacs works well with RCS/CVS too. I

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:16:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Footnotes - [1] Plain Old Telephone Service. The technical term (really!) for what most people think is the only kind of phone line. You mean it isn't? ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just

Re: Humor: The Evolution of a Programmer

2002-11-15 Thread Bill Sconce
Ooo. A Perl flamewar. All it takes to start one is 'Hello, world.' you_REALLY_have_to_be_careful'ly yours, -Bill:) :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:06:29 EST John Abreau said: As for invoking it, it turns out to be fairly straightforward. I had to download ange-ftp-over-ssh.tar.gz, move the nftp.pl script into my PATH, and add a line to my .emacs: I had a lot of trouble getting ange-ftp to work

RE: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Price, Erik
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bscott;ntisys.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:01 PM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, at 6:17pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I've said before, I suspect

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:08:39 EST Derek Martin said: At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly: Before the widspread use of windowing systems, emacs provided the multi- windows support. Screen has been around forever, which accomplishes the same thing. And, vim

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread pll
(Amusingly, I seem to break every generalization you mention :) In a message dated: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:00:32 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, at 6:17pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I've said before, I suspect that emacs- and perl-users are actually the higher life forms ...

RE: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Price, Erik
-Original Message- From: Derek Martin [mailto:gnhlug;sophic.org] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming You ain't a young'un... ;-) Ben's in his early-mid 20's. Even that's not really a young'un to me...

Humor: Mir space station

2002-11-15 Thread pll
News Release 21 July, 1997 KOROLYOV, RUSSIA--U.S. and Russian scientists are increasingly excited about the Mir space station project, which promises to reveal more than has ever been known about the scientific relationship between weightlessness and mortal terror. By stranding our scientists

Looking for specialized monitor

2002-11-15 Thread Ed Robbins
My neighbor is looking for a 9 monochrome monitor for a metal working machine that he owns. I told him to try ESS in Manchester but I'm looking for others sources for him. Anyone have some places I can send him, in the area or online. Thanks. Ed

Re: Looking for specialized monitor

2002-11-15 Thread Kurth Bemis
At 02:22 PM 11/15/2002 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: I have a gazallion of those IBM monitors, not 9 inches a little larger maybe 12 inches... If interested $15.00 plus shipping? OBO ~kurth -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Ed Robbins hath spake thusly: My

Re: emacs vi (vim) approaches)

2002-11-15 Thread John Abreau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom Buskey said: My vi skills are not as good as my emacs skills. The discussion helps. I'm sort of in between. I've been using vi since 1983, and emacs since 1996. I tend to use emacs mostly for coding

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread John Abreau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jason Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My first 'net connection was over a 2400 baud modem to a Unix server. I used that modem for 3 years before I could afford a 14400 modem. I used that for

Re: emacs vi (vim) approaches)

2002-11-15 Thread Tom Buskey
John Abreau said: I'm sort of in between. I've been using vi since 1983, and emacs since 1996. I tend to use emacs mostly for coding and scripting, as most of the stuff I'd do in vi is second nature at this point, whereas I still have to think about how to do a lot of things in emacs. I

Re: emacs vi (vim) approaches)

2002-11-15 Thread Tom Buskey
John Abreau said: I tend to use emacs mostly for coding and scripting, as most of the stuff I'd do in vi is second nature at this point, whereas I still have to think about how to do a lot of things in emacs. I'm amazed at how many places you find emacs style keystrokes. Mozilla, exmh's

Re: emacs vi (vim) approaches)

2002-11-15 Thread Bob Bell
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:55:31PM -0500, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Abreau said: I tend to use emacs mostly for coding and scripting, as most of the stuff I'd do in vi is second nature at this point, whereas I still have to think about how to do a lot of things in emacs.

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Tom Buskey
John Abreau said: My first connection was via an old thermal-print teletype with a built-in 110/300 baud acoustic coupler, dialed into a Vax/VMS system at Northeastern University. Took about four seconds to print a single line. Now *that* was painful! A TI Silent 700? I used to use one to

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Steven Knight
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:14:40PM -0500, Kevin D. Clark wrote: This message isn't intended to start an emacs vs. vi flamewar -- really, I'm just looking to understand how other people using different editors handle these situations. Emacs has a scheme for handling compilation of

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Bob Bell
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:57:44PM -0500, Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs has a general scheme for auto-completing keywords. Let's say that I have three files loaded into Emacs, two locally and one remotely (via a ssh connection, for example). Let's say that the file on the

Re: Humor: Cargo Cult Programming

2002-11-15 Thread Bob Bell
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 05:08:46PM -0500, Bob Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose I decide that this looks horrible, and I want to clean this up. In Emacs I can type a few keys and transmorgify things thusly: snip Out of curiosity, does VIM do anything like this? I'm not sure