Bugaboo #1: I have with it is that it forces you to sign on with a web
page before you gain access. Basically, it's a contract it wants you to
click yes to. It does not ask for any further information. In the
contract you agree to have your session fully monitored by Panera. Uck.
Well, I encrypt
On Aug 26, 2004, at 06:36, Travis Roy wrote:
If you have a coffee shop and and a open wireless network and some
schmoe comes by and start playing hack the planet the poor coffee shop
owner is ultimately responsible.
Is there precedent for this? If you replace 'wireless network' with
Is there precedent for this? If you replace 'wireless network' with
'telephone' or 'bread knives' or 'delivery van' wouldn't the criminal be
found responsible? What happens if someone phones in a bomb threat from
a privately-owned pay-phone in a cafe, does the shop owner do time?
If a
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:36:39AM -0400, Travis Roy wrote:
What do you expect? Would you rather they get a ton of information
and then force you to login every time? They need to cover their ass
in some way. What if you go on and start sending out viruses or
spam. I think one of the biggest
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 08:39:23AM -0400, Travis Roy wrote:
Well there are two ways they could deal with it.. I think a stupid
little click box is worthless, so in reality it's basically open. If you
have an open network with no accounts then I would assume that it would
be the shop keeper
In fact, I'd bet a clever lawyer could succesfully argue
that they should be protected by the same body of law.
Absolutely true.
I'd be very surprised if there were an established body of law under
which the cafe could be held liable.
Almost certainly true.
All it takes is one moron
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 20:08, Michael ODonnell wrote:
If I were one of the entrenched players in the telecoms
space, or if I were a big-brother type, I think I'd be
angry about VoIP. From a business angle, I'd see stuff
like VoIP as a threat to my legislated monopoly.
Well, there are two
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 09:24:06AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
support Panera, there's nothing like a little proactive CYA to help show
intent. Just ask all the P2P vendors getting sued all the time, or DVD-Jon;
Well, these are not at all comparable. The RIAA and DVD CCA are
comprised of
On Wednesday, Aug 25th 2004 at 22:51 -0400, quoth Jon maddog Hall:
=and the I will browse your books but buy online syndrome. The store is
=not as large as it used to be. They do not have the coffee area that they
=had, but the rent is $10,000. per month cheaper. As the manager said,
=you have
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 10:23:01PM +0900, Derek Martin wrote:
I haven't actually been to an Internet cafe in the west, but here in
Korea if you go to one of the thousands of PC ?? on any street corner,
you don't need to provide any information. Is this different at
hard-wired cafes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, I'd bet a clever lawyer could succesfully argue
that they should be protected by the same body of law.
Absolutely true.
The difference however is that an ISP or phone company has fairly decent
records of who's on their system and has contact information for the
But no one has any substantial motivation to sue an Internet cafe out
of existence. They're small potatoes, and the harm they can do is
pretty limited. In fact, they provide a valuable service to businesses,
by making Internet access to their employees when they can't be at the
office (i.e. on
Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've
moved I've been there maybe once.
[...snip...]
I read an article by Tim O'Reilly on SoftPRO's web site
that talked about going to a bookstore for use as a
library, then
Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...snip...]
With the way people are sue happy these days I'm just
thinking about
what's best for the place of business to cover their ass.
I'm assuming that they would get some kind of slack if they
tried to
reasonably account for who is on their network,
Interesting.
Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS
development of a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro?
Sorry, guess I've been doing product development too long, my
first instinct is to generalize the problem and invent a
solution for the entire class. Is there a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
One other thing, when my house (isolated rural location) was broken into, the
state cop who investigated commented that he leaves his doors unlocked, on
the theory that it saves damage to the house. Dunno how the insurance
company would view that though. Also don't
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS development of
a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro?
apparently someone thinks it would be worthwhile:
http://www.linux-pos.org/
There seem to be 11 applications (excluding 3 just for barcode reading)
Hi,
At the meeting the other night we discussed the fact that Linuxworld East will
be in Boston this year, not New York City. No having to travel for three hours
on the train to get there, no overnight stays in $40./night hotels.
We discussed having an exhibit there, and I have been chartered
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 06:36, Travis Roy wrote:
...
All it takes is one moron sitting outside in his car that ends up
getting some coffee shop sued because they're liable due to their
totally open and advertised hotspot to start people closing them all down.
Your point is well taken, but they
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 08:27, Bill McGonigle wrote:
...
Even with the 'contract' they're just as likely to get their IP
blacklisted as they would without it. For any kind of defense against
hypothetical lawsuit they need to be logging MAC addresses and IP
addresses/ports with timestamps.
It will be tragic if security breaches kills the notion of free WiFi.
They should be treated under the common carrier laws like ISPs are,
since in essence that's exactly what they are, but there may not be any
case law outstanding on this yet -- at least in this country.
Pointed out before was
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 09:36:36AM -0400, Travis Roy wrote:
Somebody could also drive down the street and use an open AP from some
moron that used the default settings linksys gave them.
This happens all the time. I know people who do it. Heck, I've even
known people who've done it for a
On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:09, Jon maddog Hall wrote:
If you have a swimming pool and a little kid falls in and drowns, you
are
responsible, even if that kid was trespassing. If you build a fence
around
your pool and lock the gate, then you have done due diligence, but
you should
also post the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The point is well taken, but it invites the obvious question: is Panera
putting up a fence, or skipping the fence and just putting up a sign saying,
Drowning People In This Pool is Strictly Prohibited?
I think Panera has posted their property. Since people using
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Incidentally, I routinely check SoftPro's website when
browsing online as an alternative to the Amazon/Borders
megamerchants. It's good to support the local
service-oriented merchants as much as possible so I'd rather
use them if the
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On Aug 26, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
I really wish that
SoftPro would have excersized a bit more entrepeneurial spirit and
thought
to augment their business by also running an online operation. If they
had
done that they might still be in their lost locations
Try
In a civil suit merely the absence of the pool fence would be the crux
of the matter, not the sign. But pool fences are required by statute,
while common carriers are not required to egress filter traffic and
content.
Does anybody know if account logging is a requirement for common carrier
Hi,
I know that pccard is the same is pcmcia (easier for consumers). What
is cardbus?
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On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 12:52, Derek Martin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 09:36:36AM -0400, Travis Roy
Jeff Macdonald wrote:
I know that pccard is the same is pcmcia (easier for consumers). What
is cardbus?
PCMCIA the next version (well, next in 1997)
Here's a press release on it:
http://www.pcmcia.org/press.htm#Sept97
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