Re: mutt question

2005-12-05 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Jeff Macdonald wrote: I need to get some eye glasses. Thanks very much. I scanned the help many times but I missed that. More than once, I've found that the surest way to get an answer (and/or feel dumb) is to type up your question and, as you click the [send] button, realize not only what

F/OS & the blind

2005-12-05 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I'm a vi guy, but my father-in-law is an Emacs fellow and is/was maintainer for an emacs text-to-speech Debian package... I'll have to ask him what it's called.  Once you have that, doesn't emacs do more than any sane person would want? --Drew Van Zandt

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Jason Stephenson
Bruce Dawson wrote: OOo.org and XML are good steps in the right direction because they allow quick and easy analysis of documents, and provide structure to new documents. But screen readers aren't the solution that's needed. That is a key point! A FLOSS "screen reader" doesn't actually have to

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce Dawson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill McGonigle wrote: > On Dec 5, 2005, at 18:06, Bruce Dawson wrote: >> . However, he is >> highly reliant on MS-Windows and JAWS. And for the most part, he's using >> Windows only so he can read MS-Word files. > As I understand it, JAWS is the most p

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 5, 2005, at 18:06, Bruce Dawson wrote: . However, he is highly reliant on MS-Windows and JAWS. And for the most part, he's using Windows only so he can read MS-Word files. I have to admit being interested in this issue mostly from an advocacy standpoint as I don't have any real-world

Re: mutt question

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 12/5/05, Ken D'Ambrosio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but e ("resend-message" binding), > which "use[s] the current message as a template for a new one," may be > just what you're looking for. > I need to get some eye glasses. Thanks very much. I scanned the help many times but I missed that.

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce Dawson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ed Lawson wrote: ... > Let me be more specific or precise. While there are tools > in Linux for making programs accessible, some drivers are around, > and some programs are useful to or developed for people with > disabilities, there remains much to

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 03:18:09PM -0500, Ed Lawson wrote: > On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:16:41 -0500 > Jeff Kinz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > One additional point: > > > > Since Open Source is much more inclined to add features WITHOUT > > requiring a "corporate giants" style economic justificat

Re: mutt question

2005-12-05 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Jeff Macdonald wrote: >Hello, >I'm new to mutt. I'm unable to find how to do this simple thing that I >can do in Evolution: >select a Sent message use it as it was a newly composed message. >Evolution called this 'Edit as New'. > Well, I am far from a Mutt guru (I still have the Pine keystrokes em

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce Dawson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warning: seriously long composition - reminiscent of some of Ben's replies ;-) Ed Lawson wrote: > On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:16:41 -0500 > Jeff Kinz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One additional point: >> >> Since Open Source is much more inclined to add

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bill Sconce
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:18:09 -0500 Ed Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems to me the issue now is for FOSS to somehow develop > accessibility features that currently exist in proprietary > software. While Gnome has done some good work in this area, the > reality is FOSS simply is not anywher

Re: mutt question

2005-12-05 Thread Michael ODonnell
I don't know mutt but exmh calls that "Use message as draft" ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 12/5/05, Dan Coutu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > use FindBin qw($Bin); > use lib "$Bin"; > use myinclude; all of my perl code does basically this, but I stick things in a lib directory: /some/directory/myapp /some/directory/myapp/lib so the use lib line above would turn into use lib "$Bin/lib

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On 12/5/05, Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 15:59 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote:> use lib '.';Doesn't this assume you're executing the script from its own directory? In other words, wouldn't this break if I did something like:../otherpath/script.pl     Yeppers..  ;-)  I

mutt question

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Macdonald
Hello, I'm new to mutt. I'm unable to find how to do this simple thing that I can do in Evolution: select a Sent message use it as it was a newly composed message. Evolution called this 'Edit as New'. Any ideas? -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-dis

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Cole Tuininga writes: > I have a module (call it MyMod.pm) that I want to use in a program, but > I can't install it in with the rest of the perl libraries. For reasons > that are too boring to get into, the only guarantee I have is that it > will be in the same directory as the executable scrip

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Ed Lawson
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:29:19 -0500 Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you looked at the KDE accessability options. No, I am just familiar with Gnome as I use it. > Additionally, have you looked at the BLINUX project. Lynx is also heavily used I understand. > Also, I notice that w

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Dan Coutu
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 15:59 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > use lib '.'; > > Thomas > Note that this will use your current directory as the place it looks for your module. The current directory would happen to depend on wherever you happen to have last done a cd to. That may not be what you rea

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 15:59 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > use lib '.'; Doesn't this assume you're executing the script from its own directory? In other words, wouldn't this break if I did something like: ../otherpath/script.pl -- "The best firewall is a pair of wire cutters." -Unknown, from t

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Dan Coutu
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 15:25 -0500, Cole Tuininga wrote: > How can I set up my include path (within the perl script) to make sure > that the directory of the executable is in the include path? I can't > hard code it because the location might be different on different > machines (different mount po

Re: Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Thomas Charron
use lib '.';    Thomas   On 12/5/05, Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How can I set up my include path (within the perl script) to make surethat the directory of the executable is in the include path?  I can't hard code it because the location might be different on differentmachines (differ

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Monday 05 December 2005 3:18 pm, Ed Lawson wrote: > > This makes FOSS accessibility a major strategic advantage for > > FOSS and > > > Seems to me the issue now is for FOSS to somehow develop > accessibility features that currently exist in proprietary > software. While Gnome has done some goo

Perl include question

2005-12-05 Thread Cole Tuininga
Hi all - a bit of a perl question, just for some variety. 8) I've been away from perl for a while, so I'm not sure I remember a decent way to do the following. I have a module (call it MyMod.pm) that I want to use in a program, but I can't install it in with the rest of the perl libraries. For

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Ed Lawson
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:16:41 -0500 Jeff Kinz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One additional point: > > Since Open Source is much more inclined to add features WITHOUT > requiring a "corporate giants" style economic justification its quite > possible that the access ability issue can be one place (fe

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 02:59:21PM -0400, Bruce Dawson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > In general, I believe Rich has hit the nail squarely on the head. > There's no good FOSS equivalent for software like JAWS - especially not > on the Linux platform. > > Either volun

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce Dawson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In general, I believe Rich has hit the nail squarely on the head. There's no good FOSS equivalent for software like JAWS - especially not on the Linux platform. Either volunteers are needed to create the software (of which there have been many well in

Supper before CentLUG meeting?

2005-12-05 Thread Ed Lawson
Will anyone or does anyone have an interest in gathering at Pineras or Uno's for food before meeting tonight? Ed Lawson ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: call to arms

2005-12-05 Thread Greg Rundlett
There is a new OASIS sub-committee forming on the issue of accessibility in the Open Document format. If anyone is interested in this subject, please see. http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office-accessibility On 12/1/05, Greg Rundlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/3

Re: MAC addresses, hostnames, and DHCP

2005-12-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On 12/5/05, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/2/05, Kevin D. Clark < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6:  I can't recall any other "two minute" timer associated with TCPother than the one associated with the TIME_WAIT state.   See above.  I THINK it's in tcp_timer.c, but it's been a whil

Re: MAC addresses, hostnames, and DHCP

2005-12-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On 12/2/05, Kevin D. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmm.  This is all very interesting.  Really.  I have some comments:1:  The two-minute window thing is interesting and I for one wouldn't mind seeing some packet dumps from the wild.     120 seconds is the arbitrary number that the linux kernel c

Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread Dan Jenkins
Jeff Kinz wrote: Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. From woot.com: http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx 250 GB WD drive $49 + $5 shipping THESE ARE REFURBS <<< No Hint as to why

Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 5, 2005, at 09:37, Jeff Kinz wrote: Woot only sells one item per day, 3 units max to any buyer ... But thats only a guess and not one I would feel secure enough about to use these drives for anything but experimental or fun only type applications I normally only buy Seagate, but with

Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread dsr
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:08:38AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: > > Good price, questionable provenance? > > This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. I wouldn't use these as primary system drives. If you're building a MythTV box

Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread Jack Coats
If you are using a RAID controller and are willing to keep a spare, they would be fine. I could see putting a Raid 5 these guys, or at least mirroring them (Raid 1). -- Original Message --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Kinz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:53:01 -

Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:53:01AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:08:38AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: > > > > Good price, questionable provenance? > > > > This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. >

[OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5

2005-12-05 Thread Jeff Kinz
Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. >From woot.com http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx 250 GB WD drive $49 + $5 shipping > THESE ARE REFURBS <<< No Hint as to why these are