Re: [OT] Postal services (was: better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Thomas Charron wrote: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jeffry Smith wrote: >> >> >  The USPS *does* receive subsidies -- some Federal tax dollars go to >> > support it (or did, last I knew).  That's something else entirely. >> > >> Not for years  - that's one of

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 04/08/2010 02:51 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote: >I would think an alias (CNAME) to "smtp" would be easier still...;-) There's nothing to alias it to, that's all the vm does, so that's what it's called. The physical host will have a different IP & MAC. Besides, MX records need to point to A re

Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: > If a bandwidth provider says they will deliver me 10Mpbs, > and (non-real-life) let's say a content source can deliver data to me > at 10Mbps, I should get 10Mbps throughput. As you say, that's not a realistic example, so I'm not sure what go

Nmap Summer of Code wants applicants

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
FYI: First the Nmap Project was once again accepted for the Google Summer of Code program, so he will have full time coding help this summer! SoC previously brought them the Nmap Scripting Engine, Zenmap, Ncat, 2nd generation OS detection, and great developers such as David Fifield, Doug Hoyte, a

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Mark Komarinski writes: > Maybe I'm not understanding the issue, but isn't the above why queuing > systems were made? We're using a dirt-old version of Platform LSF and > it already solves the 'running on heterogeneous systems distributed > across an arbitrary number of nodes' problem. While re

Re: Fw: Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Coleman Kane
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:27 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On 04/07/2010 04:08 PM, Coleman Kane wrote: > > (ca. 1915): > > > > http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/quackcures/standradiumsolution.htm > > > > Sure, today we all are taught that radiation is bad today, and so we all > > know it is. Howev

[OT] Any IPhone Developers on this list?

2010-04-08 Thread Gerry Hull
At my day job, we are looking for a consultant to do some IPhone development. We have some very interesting biz apps we are working on. If you do this kind of work, or know of a good developer located in MA/NH, please reply to me off list. (Yeah, I know about ZCo.) Gerry ge...@telosity.com _

Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Gerry Hull
: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:26 AM, G Rundlett wrote: >> I hope to not only preserve an open Internet, but to expand it. > >  Please explain "open Internet". > Open for me means, I, as a consumer or business, I buy bandwidth from a provider. If a bandwidth provider says they will deliver me 10M

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 04/08/2010 03:13 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > Tom Buskey writes: > > >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: >> > > >>> The problem that I had was that I frequently had to deal with the >>> situation of "this particular problem only really efficiently runs on >>> 1, 4

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Tom Buskey writes: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > The problem that I had was that I frequently had to deal with the > > situation of "this particular problem only really efficiently runs on > > 1, 4, or 16 nodes in the cluster" or "this problem only really > > effic

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: > For me, it's easier to remember that 'smtp' is on 'borlaug' than 'vm3'. I would think an alias (CNAME) to "smtp" would be easier still... ;-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discus

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 04/08/2010 01:10 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote: >As Mark Komarinski already mentioned, it's always a very good idea > to have generic service names for roles, and alias those names to the > machines filling the role. And, I've noticed that with the rise of virtualization the role names are once

Re: Fw: Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 04/07/2010 04:08 PM, Coleman Kane wrote: > (ca. 1915): > > http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/quackcures/standradiumsolution.htm > > Sure, today we all are taught that radiation is bad today, and so we all > know it is. However, how much of this knowledge is due to government > regulation via th

Re: Internet history

2010-04-08 Thread Chip Marshall
On 07-Apr-2010, David Hardy sent: > Yes, md, I remember, as do many or all of us, the same bunch of > names for the systems, usually either from the Snow White gang, > or Lord of the Rings, or Hitchhiker's Guide. Them were the > daze. Now our brilliant successors name them with strings of > alphan

Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 04/07/2010 08:59 AM, Seth Cohn wrote: > If we have companies, > like Comcast, who abuse their providerships, we route around them, > sooner or later. The 'sooner' part is very hard because the government: 1) claims ownership of 'rights of way' alongside roads where telephone poles are placed.

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Shawn O'Shea wrote: > I've always felt that at a minimum servers deserve real names. It really depends on the environment. The more commoditized things are, the less sense it makes to have fancy names. If you've got a 100 node server farm for some massive web

Wiz: Where's the Source? (was: Hot New OSS projects)

2010-04-08 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
"Jon 'maddog' Hall" writes: > > > > Any idea what they mean by "OSS project"? :) > > > > Now, I'm serious: are they looking for software projects that *are* > > Open Source *Software*, or hardware projects that *use* OSS, or what? > > (Linux Journal, for example, specifically asked for hardware p

Re: Hot New OSS projects

2010-04-08 Thread Nigel Stewart
Carl, > I wrote a few words in late January about Synergy as I was completing > the mechanical arrangements for my Dual Display Stand project Thank you so much for the link to Synergy-Plus. On my desk are now Ubuntu, XP and MacBook Pro in my ad-hoc "wall". That made my day! Now I want _more_

Re: [OT] Postal services (was: better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas Charron
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jeffry Smith wrote: > > The USPS *does* receive subsidies -- some Federal tax dollars go to > > support it (or did, last I knew). That's something else entirely. > > > Not for years - that's one of their problems in that they have to > both deliver anywhere and

Re: [OT] Postal services (was: better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Michael ODonnell > wrote: > >> Be federal law, anyone competing with the USPS must charge 3x what > >> their charging, no exceptions. > > I can't find anything on the Intertubes to support that assertion > >

Re: [OT] Postal services (was: better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Coleman Kane
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:53 +0430, Jeffry Smith wrote: > > The USPS *does* receive subsidies -- some Federal tax dollars go to > > support it (or did, last I knew). That's something else entirely. > > > Not for years - that's one of their problems in that they have to > both deliver anywhere and

Re: [OT] Postal services (was: better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Jeffry Smith
>  The USPS *does* receive subsidies -- some Federal tax dollars go to > support it (or did, last I knew).  That's something else entirely. > Not for years - that's one of their problems in that they have to both deliver anywhere and avoid a debt (not necessarily make a profit). jeff ___

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Tom Buskey
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > Benjamin Scott writes: > > > I remember a shared login script at UNH which defined various names, > > so you could do things like: > > > > for H in $DWARVES ; do ... ; done > > > > Makes sense to put something like that in /etc/pr

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Benjamin Scott writes: > I remember a shared login script at UNH which defined various names, > so you could do things like: > > for H in $DWARVES ; do ... ; done > > Makes sense to put something like that in /etc/profile or whatever, > if you're doing to use the fancy name strategy.

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Shawn O'Shea
I've always felt that at a minimum servers deserve real names. The first naming convention I saw was on my first Unix account, SunOS boxes in CS at University of Hartford, named after movie computers (hal, skynet). At a previous job, we had HP-UX servers named after characters in Johnny Quest (rac

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 04/08/2010 09:31 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > I used to work on a parallel computer whose compute nodes were named > after stars. So, whenever I needed to do something to all of the > nodes in the cluster I'd have to write code like: > >for H in antares atria avior sirius \ > reg

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 04/07/2010 11:42 PM, David Hardy wrote: > Yes, md, I remember, as do many or all of us, the same bunch of names > for the systems, usually either from the Snow White gang, or Lord of > the Rings, or Hitchhiker's Guide. Them were the daze. Now our > brilliant successors name them with string

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > So, whenever I needed to do something to all of the > nodes in the cluster I'd have to write code like: > >   for H in antares atria avior sirius ... I remember a shared login script at UNH which defined various names, so you could do thin

Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:26 AM, G Rundlett wrote: > I hope to not only preserve an open Internet, but to expand it. Please explain "open Internet". The Internet is not "open" in the sense of a public park, and never has been. Not in the US, anyway. That idea is a romantic myth. We've been

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Tom Buskey writes: > Because we can't keep track of 100 systems & what they do in our head. But > using a naming scheme means you can script it. We don't really care about > the names otherwise. Oh, and only one name because if there's another name, > we'll get a ticket to fix it by the name w

Re: Fw: Re: We need a better Internet in America

2010-04-08 Thread Ted Roche
On 04/07/2010 11:48 AM, Benjamin Scott wrote: > > One idea I've heard that seems like it might be good is "structural > separation". One company runs the lines, but doesn't offer service > over them. Other companies offer service over the common lines. > Lines could be privately owned, or owned

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > Because we can't keep track of 100 systems & what they do in our head. Yah. At $WORK, desktops and laptops have generic names (a static prefix followed by a number), because they're commodities, interchangeable and uninteresting. We only hav

Re: Internet history (was: We need a better Internet)

2010-04-08 Thread Tom Buskey
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:42 PM, David Hardy wrote: > Yes, md, I remember, as do many or all of us, the same bunch of names for > the systems, usually either from the Snow White gang, or Lord of the Rings, > or Hitchhiker's Guide. Them were the daze. Now our brilliant successors > name them with