Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Buskey
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 10/05/2009 12:36 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: Apple hasn't been as free with their hardware in the past (the 68k systems) and the iPod/IPhone are in that group, but the x86 systems have been fairly open to different

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech hewitt_t...@comcast.netwrote: What bugged me about the way Apple sells the Mini is their deliberate withholding of information from the customer so that the customer

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Alex Hewitt
Tom Buskey wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com mailto:kluss...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech hewitt_t...@comcast.net mailto:hewitt_t...@comcast.net wrote: What bugged me about the way Apple sells

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Kenny Lussier
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I bought a mini in March to use as a media center. I bought the Apple remote which just works. I had USB keyboards. I bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse - they just worked. I bought a mini dvi to VGA adapter that just

Re: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Joseph ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I agree with all of your assessments thus far.  Woudn't it be great if Apple opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and just sold the OS?    I don't think I would buy it even then

Re: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Joseph ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I agree with all of your assessments thus far.  Woudn't it be great if Apple opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and just sold the OS?    I don't think I would buy it even then

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Scott
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com wrote: I just spent about 30 seconds on their site, and found the Mac Mini tech specs. You need this: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQmco=MTA4NTYxMDQ Alex mentioned VGA. That adapter provides DVI.

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I got a mini displayport to composite adapter.  *bzzt*.  ... I had to get a vga to composite converter to get analog output to my TV.  That was about $30 and not available from apple. ... ... the mini just works for everything

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread kenta
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:  FYI, Mini DisplayPort is apparently Yet Another Apple Proprietary Connector.  Apple does love making goofy connectors.  I guess it's somewhat forgivable in this case, given the small form factor of the Mini.  And at least

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Kenny Lussier
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com wrote: I just spent about 30 seconds on their site, and found the Mac Mini tech specs. You need this:

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hi, I have been watching this conversation for the past couple of days, and I would just like to throw in a small observation. People like Apple because of their design, because things plug together seamlessly, because everything works well. One simple reason for this is that Apple controls, to

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Shawn O'Shea
www.apple.com In the top navbar, click Mac In the navbar that comes up under that click Mac Mini In the Mac Mini navbar, click Tech Specs There is a section In the box that describes what it comes with (which does not include a keyboard and mouse) and there is a section called Graphics and

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com wrote:  Alex mentioned VGA.  That adapter provides DVI.  Perhaps you should have spent more than 30 seconds.  ;-) Actually, he said my existing monitor, keyboard, and mouse without specifying. *sigh* On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

2009-10-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Hi, I have been watching this conversation for the past couple of days, and I would just like to throw in a small observation. People like Apple because of their design, because things plug together seamlessly, because

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I got a mini displayport to composite adapter. *bzzt*. ... I had to get a vga to composite converter to get analog output to my TV. That was about

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-04 Thread Jefferson Kirkland
While I find the Apple OS to be pretty sweet, mostly due to the fact that it is Unix based now, I just don't see any justification for the cost of their systems. Someone I follow on twitter tried to convince me of how cheap their systems are and I ended up halting the conversation with a small

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-04 Thread Coleman Kane
To be completely fair, there are a considerable number of other hardware components in a Mac than: Screen size, RAM, Hard Drive space, and CPU. Let's take the screen, and I have some experience in this dept. as I've been working on a project for the past couple years that has evaluated about five

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-04 Thread Jefferson Kirkland
While you make valid points, it definitely comes down to the person. I am and will always be a person who LOVES their desktop real estate and you are correct, my max resolution is 1440x900. But, I am also able to adapt to a slightly smaller resolution considering the money I saved. While I am

RE: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-04 Thread Joseph
Hey Everyone, I agree with all of your assessments thus far. Woudn't it be great if Apple opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and just sold the OS?I don't think I would buy it even then but it would be a break from their monopolistic hardware/software

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

2009-10-04 Thread Shawn O'Shea
A couple of notes about the Mac Mini. The general stance Apple has taken over the years is that the Mini only exists because customers insisted there be a model like it in it's price range. It is not Apple's you're new to Mac, but this system. When Apple wants to sell a new-to-Mac user a machine,