Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:17:48 -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Costolo wrote: But why exactly would they do that? Same size, weight, etc. of a book, but needs batteries, has a screen that can break, and costs far more than a common $10 or $15 paperback. Have you

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:48:55 -0400, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a large time scale, I agree with Ben and maddog that paper will likely go the way of papyrus, Don't forget that papyrus was only replaced with the dried pulp of a different plant and some more refined processing. Aside

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:51:34 -0400 Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're almost describing the handheld platform. For which there exists ebook reader software. Which, to the best of my understanding, hasn't been all that impressive sales-wise (ebooks on handhelds, that is). Yes,

RE: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Tilly, Lawrence
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Costolo Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:12 AM snip And electronics, computers in particular, have changed dramatically in just the last decade. A book can be picked up and read by

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:06:26 -0400 Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snips How about the so-called tablet pc: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/tabletpc/ I'm not sure if this tablet pc thing fits the bill. To get the weight down, you'll probably have to wait until the flexible screen

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Thomas M. Albright
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Ted Roche wrote: snip We live in interesting times! Isn't that a Chinese curse? May you live in interesting times. -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) We understand death for the first time when he puts his hand upon one whom we love. -Madame De Stael, writer

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Fred
On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:58, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:39:44 -0400 Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will have to agree with Ben. Despite the fact that I too love the feeling of pages turning between my hands, and I love taking that book out under the tree, or

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:21:55 -0400 Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't ever see myself curling up in bed with my laptop. And the paperless office has yet to be realized. Methinks if there is a way to make a buck with dead tree versions, someone will be doing it. I think there

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:54:19 -0400, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:21:55 -0400 Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't ever see myself curling up in bed with my laptop. And the paperless office has yet to be realized. Methinks if there is a way

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Michael Costolo wrote: But why exactly would they do that? Same size, weight, etc. of a book, but needs batteries, has a screen that can break, and costs far more than a common $10 or $15 paperback. Have you seen the price of low-cost notebooks these days? Imagine one with almost no CPU, a

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:17:48 -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Michael Costolo wrote: If the only costs I were paying were some marketing, royalties and trivial distribution fees, I HAVE to imagine that lifetime savings (for me, at least) would be in the thousands. Yet if there was a

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Ted Roche
The savings aren't that easy to capture. Witness Safari and other publisher's efforts at ebook publishing. There's still author's royalties, maybe a buck a book or so, and the labor expense of technical editing, copy editing and layout. Then, there's marketing, advertising and promotion. Web

VoIP and paranoia (was: Replacing PBXes with Open Source)

2004-08-29 Thread bscott
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, at 8:08pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a big brother perspective I'd be unhappy about the enhanced privacy ... The VoIP providers have already been told by The Powers That Be that they must make their services available for monitoring for legal reasons. Ironic that

RE: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-27 Thread Bill Sconce
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:38:09 -0400 Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I routinely check SoftPro's website when browsing online as an alternative to the Amazon/Borders megamerchants. It's good to support the

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:10:32 -0400 Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used Borders for several years; it's worth the trip down to a brick-and-mortar store to actually leaf through the latest candidate for addition to my library. Other local bookstores are equally good. I'd never

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-26 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 20:08, Michael ODonnell wrote: If I were one of the entrenched players in the telecoms space, or if I were a big-brother type, I think I'd be angry about VoIP. From a business angle, I'd see stuff like VoIP as a threat to my legislated monopoly. Well, there are two

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Wednesday, Aug 25th 2004 at 22:51 -0400, quoth Jon maddog Hall: =and the I will browse your books but buy online syndrome. The store is =not as large as it used to be. They do not have the coffee area that they =had, but the rent is $10,000. per month cheaper. As the manager said, =you have

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread bmcculley
Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've moved I've been there maybe once. [...snip...] I read an article by Tim O'Reilly on SoftPRO's web site that talked about going to a bookstore for use as a library, then

FOSS POS apps - Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread bmcculley
Interesting. Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS development of a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro? Sorry, guess I've been doing product development too long, my first instinct is to generalize the problem and invent a solution for the entire class. Is there a

Re: FOSS POS apps - Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS development of a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro? apparently someone thinks it would be worthwhile: http://www.linux-pos.org/ There seem to be 11 applications (excluding 3 just for barcode reading)

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I routinely check SoftPro's website when browsing online as an alternative to the Amazon/Borders megamerchants. It's good to support the local service-oriented merchants as much as possible so I'd rather use them if the

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Ted Roche
On Aug 26, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Steven W. Orr wrote: I really wish that SoftPro would have excersized a bit more entrepeneurial spirit and thought to augment their business by also running an online operation. If they had done that they might still be in their lost locations Try

Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Jon maddog Hall
Hi, For the past eight years I have been predicting that it would only be a matter of time before we started replacing the really expensive proprietary hardware and software that goes into making a telephony system. I have been watching while VoIP became better and better, and Gnomemeeting

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Jared Watkins
Jon maddog Hall wrote: This is going to be HUGE. It will be HUGE in emerging economies, but also HUGE in our own economy. I show you website http://www.asterisk.org/ I'm with you there just last week I picked up their new lite dev kit and am starting to play with this at home... I

Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: Yesterday in the SoftPRO bookstore I saw a book on Asterisk, and for those of you who are not familiar with it, it is an Open Source project to replace the PBX (think Centrex) services for a company. Maddog's presentation

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Larry Cook
There is also GNU Bayonne: http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ - GNU Bayonne, the telecommunications application server of the GNU project, offers free, scalable, media independent software environment for development and deployment of telephony solutions for use with current and next

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 13:40, Jon maddog Hall wrote: Hi, For the past eight years I have been predicting that it would only be a matter of time before we started replacing the really expensive proprietary hardware and software that goes into making a telephony system. I have been watching

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:38:18 -0400, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: When I was last at the SoftPro in Waltham (last fall maybe?) Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've moved I've been there maybe once.

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not sure... after all, you need the Internet infrastructure -- with a fair bit of bandwidth -- in place to take advantage of it. I believe calls are ~80kb/s, including TCP overhead, which is a fair bit more than analog can cope with. RTP nearly

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:43, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: klussier said: I agree that VoIP will be huge in emerging economies... Not sure... after all, you need the Internet infrastructure -- with a fair bit of bandwidth -- in place to take advantage of it. This is sort of true. VoIP can

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Fred
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:54, Jeff Macdonald wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:38:18 -0400, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: When I was last at the SoftPro in Waltham (last fall maybe?) Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:43, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: klussier said: I agree that VoIP will be huge in emerging economies... Not sure... after all, you need the Internet infrastructure -- with a fair bit of bandwidth -- in place to take advantage of it. This is

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Greg Rundlett
Jon maddog Hall wrote: Hi, For the past eight years I have been predicting that it would only be a matter of time before we started replacing the really expensive proprietary hardware and software that goes into making a telephony system. I have been watching while VoIP became better and better,

Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source

2004-08-25 Thread Michael ODonnell
If I were one of the entrenched players in the telecoms space, or if I were a big-brother type, I think I'd be angry about VoIP. From a business angle, I'd see stuff like VoIP as a threat to my legislated monopoly. From a big brother perspective I'd be unhappy about the enhanced privacy as

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've moved I've been there maybe once. They used to have four stores: o Burlington, MA o Marlboro, MA o Boulder, Co o Denver Tech Center, Co They now have two stores: o