Re: No minimise/maximise (again)

2011-03-17 Thread Brainstormtrooper
Is this something that will eventually find its way back to the control panel like it was in gnome 2.x? These things were easy to configure before, and I agree that being able to easily change these settings is important to help users feel more comfortable... That said, after a few days of

Keyboard language indicator

2011-03-17 Thread Theodore Dimitriadis
I am using gnome shell 2.91.92 and i have two keyboards layout, English and Greek. But i don't see the keyboard indicator in the system tray. -- Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters Rosa Luxemburg ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Oliver Mangold o.mang...@googlemail.com wrote: On 16.03.2011 23:23, Peder Refsnes wrote: Hi. My name is Peder Refsnes. I recently finished a master degree in computer science and just landed my first job doing C++ development. I recently joined the gnome

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
On 17.03.2011 13:31, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: Me personally, I'm not in favor of writing writing it in Javascript because of the dynamic typing (will be painfull to find problems caused by changed Mutter bindings). Why do you think that? Standard problem of dynamically typed languages.

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.58 +0100, Oliver Mangold ha scritto: On 17.03.2011 13:31, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: Me personally, I'm not in favor of writing writing it in Javascript because of the dynamic typing (will be painfull to find problems caused by changed Mutter bindings).

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
On 17.03.2011 14:18, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Of course, this requires tracking gnome-shell development and knowing what API changes affect your code. Exactly that's the problem. That's a big requirement. Impractical for real world purpose. If the correct procedure for updating plugins to a

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Jesse Hutton
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Oliver Mangold o.mang...@googlemail.comwrote: On 17.03.2011 13:31, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: Me personally, I'm not in favor of writing writing it in Javascript because of the dynamic typing (will be painfull to find problems caused by changed Mutter

mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Jeffery Olson
Wow. there is a lot of crazy in this thread. I'm sorry. rant  Me personally, I'm not in favor of writing writing it in Javascript because of the dynamic typing (will be painfull to find problems caused by changed Mutter bindings). The risk that you're describing, there's a set of tools you

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Jeffery Olson
Sadly, they have other dragons to slay right now and heading into 3.2. It's a good thing that this is an FOSS project and anyone can submit features/patches (I've done my share to expose a few methods in mutter, but there's much to be done still). I've found the team to be very constructive

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On 2011-03-17 at 14:27, Oliver Mangold wrote: On 17.03.2011 14:18, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Of course, this requires tracking gnome-shell development and knowing what API changes affect your code. Exactly that's the problem. That's a big requirement. Impractical for real world purpose.

Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 49

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:36:58 -0700 From: Jeffery Olsonolson.jeff...@gmail.com To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: mutter tiling Message-ID: aanlktimul4xjlb2rzv7edfvcvsn7soqmknjnnlehx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The risk that you're describing,

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Jesse Hutton
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Jeffery Olson olson.jeff...@gmail.comwrote: Wow. there is a lot of crazy in this thread. I'm sorry. rant Me personally, I'm not in favor of writing writing it in Javascript because of the dynamic typing (will be painfull to find problems caused by

Re: Tiling features in Mutter

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
On 17.03.2011 16:23, Jeffery Olson wrote: Encapsulation, low coupling and seperation-of-concerns. These are all valuable patterns that we can leverage here. Okay, you have a point here. This is certainly the best one can do under dynamic typing. I'm not sure if it is relevant for the

Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 50

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
On 17.03.2011 18:08, gnome-shell-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: A quick follow-up to this, as well: A big, missing piece of extensibility right now is there's no way to do custom keybindings (or keybindings of any kind, really) from javascript. All of the keybinding that is used for

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Jeffery Olson olson.jeff...@gmail.comwrote: Also: have you even given javascript a chance? Please don't let it's history in the browser bias you against it; it's a marvelous language with a lot of really interesting features that makes nice, expressive code

thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Robert Park
So, let me start by saying I love the new calendar. It's sexy as hell. This is not a criticism. This is just one little observation that could improve usability for some users. I have a bunch of events listed in my evolution calendar. Shell displays 'Today', 'Tomorrow' and 'This week' sections in

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Cyril Arnaud
The idea is really interesting. Even in a corporate environment it's good to be remembered on friday what you scheduled for this coming monday morning at 8 sharp.. -Cyril On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 12:15 -0600, Robert Park wrote: So, let me start by saying I love the new calendar. It's sexy as

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread Juergen Mangler
develop to hedge against this very eventuality. They're called unit tests. This is probably a textbook example for why unit tests are important, especially in a dynamic language environment. Of course unit tests are important. But, it's annoying, and certainly less that optimal, to

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Maciej Marcin Piechotka
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 12:15 -0600, Robert Park wrote: So, let me start by saying I love the new calendar. It's sexy as hell. This is not a criticism. This is just one little observation that could improve usability for some users. I have a bunch of events listed in my evolution calendar.

Re: Tiling features in Mutter

2011-03-17 Thread Tim Cuthbertson
I'm not seeing owen's side of this conversation (specifically this first quoted part, I never received. this is also the first message I've seen discussing static typing vs dynamic typing). is it supposed to be between the two of you or on the mailing list? On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Oliver

Re: Tiling features in Mutter

2011-03-17 Thread Oliver Mangold
On 17.03.2011 22:04, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: I'm not seeing owen's side of this conversation (specifically this first quoted part, I never received. this is also the first message I've seen discussing static typing vs dynamic typing). is it supposed to be between the two of you or on the mailing

Re: Tiling features in Mutter

2011-03-17 Thread Tim Cuthbertson
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Tim Cuthbertson t...@gfxmonk.net wrote: I'm not seeing owen's side of this conversation (specifically this first quoted part, I never received. this is also the first message I've seen discussing static typing vs dynamic typing). is it supposed to be between

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread William Jon McCann
Hey, On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Robert Park rbp...@exolucere.ca wrote: So, let me start by saying I love the new calendar. It's sexy as hell. This is not a criticism. This is just one little observation that could improve usability for some users. I have a bunch of events listed in my

Re: mutter tiling

2011-03-17 Thread John Stowers
To this end, I'll even volunteer up my repo for the tiling window management extensive I've been working on (but didn't feel was ready for a release, yet). It's very rough and needs docs, still (and I believe it needs to be updated to the latest gnome-shell release in the metadata.json.. I

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the kind words!  I think in some cases it doesn't work as well as we'd hoped in corporatey environments either.  Those folks seem to have a ton of meetings and we pretty quickly use up all the