Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-08 Thread Henry Jensen
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 08:18:30 +0200 Henry Jensen wrote: > Writing file names of proprietary software in log files is not ideal but it > is far more preferable than failing to load the firmware file. There was a > suggestion on this list, to print a warning in the log files: > > http://lists.no

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-07 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Aug 6, 2017, Henry Jensen wrote: > RMS mentions a change "to obfuscate the names of the firmware files" > instead of failing. Yeah, he was referring to the "Request for Comments" section at http://www.fsfla.org/anuncio/2010-03-Linux-2.6.33-libre > Last time I checked, the situation hasn't c

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Henry Jensen
Am 7. August 2017 02:45:35 MESZ schrieb bill-auger >regarding the debianized kernel itself - other users on this list are >far more knowledgeable on it's inner workings than i, so i wont add >much >about that - except to say that if the only problem is some log files >that very few people will

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Henry Jensen
Am 7. August 2017 03:40:08 MESZ schrieb Jason Self : >Henry Jensen wrote .. >> This was an error by me, I did not update the symlink to the source, >> which is located at >> https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/slack-n-free-14.2/d/. This is >> fixed now. > >Thank you, although even with this c

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
Henry Jensen wrote .. > This was an error by me, I did not update the symlink to the source, > which is located at > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/slack-n-free-14.2/d/. This is > fixed now. Thank you, although even with this change I still cannot account for all of the source code for al

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread bill-auger
regarding the suggestion on the website of using another distro - the exact wording id this: > "If you are looking for a libre Slackware x86_64 variant you are welcome to use the x86_64 slack-n-free repo and have a look at the FreeSlack project." to be clear, this is not explicitly recommending

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
Henry Jensen wrote .. > Yes, thank you for linking to the messages. RMS mentions a change > "to obfuscate the names of the firmware files" instead of failing. That was not the primary reason for linking to that message. Pay attention to his very first statement: > It sounds like the new Debi

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
On Monday, August 07, 2017 00:10:39 Henry Jensen wrote: > Am Sun, 06 Aug 2017 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) > > But if your decision is to continue to push back on this and leave the > > request_firmware calls in place and unmodified, then I think my review > > of ConnochaetOS is over. > > That is, of cour

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Henry Jensen
Am Sun, 06 Aug 2017 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) schrieb "Jason Self" : > > the usage of Linux-Libre is not mentioned as a requirement in > > the FSDG > > But that it must take care not to recommend nonfree software is and, > if you were to examine the previous messages I've linked to, the > consensus

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
Henry Jensen wrote .. > The section "Debian GNU/Linux" mentions 3 problems with Debian The common distros page is not intended to be an exhaustive list of all problems that exist with a given distro. It even says so on the page: "We do not aim for completeness; once we know some reasons we can't

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread KRT Listmaster
On 08/06/2017 10:37 AM, Jason Self wrote: > Henry Jensen wrote .. > >> The link to the freeslack project shouldn't be a problem, since >> the page at https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html links >> to the very same project. > > There is no reference to FreeSlack on that page, only Slack

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Henry Jensen
Am Sun, 06 Aug 2017 09:37:16 -0700 (PDT) schrieb "Jason Self" : > Henry Jensen wrote .. > > > The link to the freeslack project shouldn't be a problem, since > > the page at https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html links > > to the very same project. > > There is no reference to FreeSl

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
The FSF can, of course, set whatever criteria/conditions they want in order to put their name behind something. While I don't pretend to speak for the FSF the things I point out are things that, based on past experience, are problematic points to address if the end goal is indeed to get the FSF to

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
On Sunday, August 06, 2017 09:37:16 Jason Self wrote: > Henry Jensen wrote .. > > > The link to the freeslack project shouldn't be a problem, since > > the page at https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html links > > to the very same project. > > There is no reference to FreeSlack on that p

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jean Louis
On Sun, Aug 06, 2017 at 09:37:16AM -0700, Jason Self wrote: > In one case, the statement (on gnu.org) is about why Slackware is not > acceptable. The other is a statement to go use it if they want 64-bit. > These are not the same. An FSF-endorsed distro shouldn't steer people > to using ones that a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
Ah, I managed to find the ones I was thinking of: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2010-12/msg00033.html http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2010-12/msg00032.html

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
Henry Jensen wrote .. > The link to the freeslack project shouldn't be a problem, since > the page at https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html links > to the very same project. There is no reference to FreeSlack on that page, only Slackware. But even if we consider Slackware, what is bei

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Henry Jensen
Hi Jason, Am Sat, 05 Aug 2017 22:06:59 -0700 (PDT) schrieb "Jason Self" : > J.B. Nicholson wrote: > > > I see on https://connochaetos.org/wiki/ that ConnochaetOS "is > > available for x86 (32 bit) only" and directs users looking for an > > x86_64 libre Slackware GNU/Linux distro elsewhere. >

[GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread Jason Self
J.B. Nicholson wrote: > I see on https://connochaetos.org/wiki/ that ConnochaetOS "is > available for x86 (32 bit) only" and directs users looking for an > x86_64 libre Slackware GNU/Linux distro elsewhere. That is probably a valid point. I imagine that FSF-endorsed distros should probably not