Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
Couldn't agree more! ;) Félicien Pillot writes: > > It looks like we have lost this fight... > I'm not so surprised, seeing what kinds of people did work in this project : > https://wayback.archive.org/web/20170301021140/http://gna.org/users/esr > > Happy packaging ;) > --- > Félicien Pillot > 2C7C ACC0 FBDB ADBA E7BC 50D9 043C D143 6C87 9372 > felic...@gnu.org - felicien.pil...@riseup.net > -- - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, use o GNU Ring ou o Tox. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
I agree... A member of the Wesnoth project must point this out to them. Julie Marchant writes: > On 2017年09月19日 15:28, Félicien Pillot wrote: > > No, we lost support for our community from another because a troll was > allowed to speak for it unchallenged and attack developers that are on > our side over a non-issue. This demonstrates an abject failure on our > part to project a good image of who we are and, most importantly, prove > that we are not a raving collection of lunatics. This is not the first > time, and it will not be the last. > > If any Wesnoth fans are on this list, please, respond to that forum > post. Denounce stasXXX's behavior, and explain that what he said about > GNU FSDG was pure bullshit and not even remotely in line with GNU FSDG, > neither the letter nor the spirit. They need to be reassured that some > of their fans are in fact libre software community members, who do not > approve of stas's actions, and that stas does not speak for all of us.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
On 2017年09月19日 15:28, Félicien Pillot wrote: > It looks like we have lost this fight... No, we lost support for our community from another because a troll was allowed to speak for it unchallenged and attack developers that are on our side over a non-issue. This demonstrates an abject failure on our part to project a good image of who we are and, most importantly, prove that we are not a raving collection of lunatics. This is not the first time, and it will not be the last. If any Wesnoth fans are on this list, please, respond to that forum post. Denounce stasXXX's behavior, and explain that what he said about GNU FSDG was pure bullshit and not even remotely in line with GNU FSDG, neither the letter nor the spirit. They need to be reassured that some of their fans are in fact libre software community members, who do not approve of stas's actions, and that stas does not speak for all of us. -- Julie Marchant https://onpon4.github.io Protect your emails with GnuPG: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:38:41 -0400 bill-auger wrote: > On 08/13/2017 12:07 PM, 8jqvs6+844uxnsb5w...@guerrillamail.com wrote: > > They're rejected to remove the downloader: > > https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1897 > > someone just showed me an interesting twist regarding this today - it > appears that the wesnooth developers have changed their website and > github to replace all mentions of "Free Software" with "Open Source" > quoting the issue above as one of the motivations > > " ... to avoid drawing in people who are much more strongly in favor of > Free Software purity ... " > > https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=46823&p=617411#p617409 > It looks like we have lost this fight... I'm not so surprised, seeing what kinds of people did work in this project : https://wayback.archive.org/web/20170301021140/http://gna.org/users/esr Happy packaging ;) --- Félicien Pillot 2C7C ACC0 FBDB ADBA E7BC 50D9 043C D143 6C87 9372 felic...@gnu.org - felicien.pil...@riseup.net pgp8dY4zOETP2.pgp Description: Signature digitale OpenPGP
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
On 08/13/2017 12:07 PM, 8jqvs6+844uxnsb5w...@guerrillamail.com wrote: > They're rejected to remove the downloader: > https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1897 someone just showed me an interesting twist regarding this today - it appears that the wesnooth developers have changed their website and github to replace all mentions of "Free Software" with "Open Source" quoting the issue above as one of the motivations " ... to avoid drawing in people who are much more strongly in favor of Free Software purity ... " https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=46823&p=617411#p617409 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:07:54 + <8jqvs6+844uxnsb5w...@guerrillamail.com> wrote: > It looks like there are some freedom issues with Blender (logo), > SuperTuxKart (mascots) and The Battle for Wesnoth (add-ons). > > First issue is Blender logo in blender package. > The logo is non-free: https://www.blender.org/about/logo/ > They don't want this logo to be removed: > https://developer.blender.org/T52380 > Second issue is SuperTuxKart. > Beastie and Suzanne mascots cannot be free because Beastie is > non-free (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon#Copyright) > and Blender logo (included with kart "Suzanne") is non-free. > GitHub issue is here: > https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/issues/2899 I fail to see see why the copyright over the official BSD daemon images do affect other "implementations" and the implementations inside Supertuxkart. SuperTuxKart mascotts probably have no trademarks issues either as people will probably understand that SuperTuxKart is a game and will not misleadingly believe it's an official FreeBSD operating system. "auriamg" also states in the bugreport that this is not a legal issue. In order to understand why this is not an issue, you probably need more background on copyright and trademarks laws to see the point (Unless I'm wrong and I either overlooked the issue or am the one that should get more background on such laws). I know that the SFLC did some guides on legal issues that affects free software developers, but since I didn't read it, I don't know if it is what will suits you best. > Also they want to include Steam support which will destroy the > freedom. They're rejected to cancel this project: > https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/issues/2900 Here again I fail to see the issue for FSDG compliant distributions: As long as SuperTux licenses stay the same and doesn't depends on steam, it will continue to be usable with free software. Steam is not software and probably implements DRM, and SuperTuxKart also runs on Microsoft Windows. I don't know if supporting non-free operating systems and gaming platforms is strategically beneficial or not, but as long as it doesn't force any licensing changes on the software, it has no impact on the software freedom as users are able to play SuperTuxKart with free software. Note that SuperTuxKart is indeed playable with 100% free software as, for now, I can play it on Parabola with a Thinkpad X200 that runs a 100% free software version of coreboot. > Third issue is The Battle for Wesnoth. > They're changed licensing for addons, allowing any CC license: > https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46093 Add-ons can be > downloaded using a downloader inside game. I think, there are two > ways to download add-on. First is using add-on downloader and second > is trying to join a game room (online play) with add-on. They're > rejected to remove the downloader: > https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1897 According to Julie Marchant, this is only for the images and sounds, which, as I understand, counts as non-functional data, and is, therefor fsdg-compliant. To understand that, reading the free software distribution guidelines(FSDG) is a good starting point. Then one might not agree with some non-requirements of the FSDG. In my opinion, copyright restrictions on non-funcional works, such as Art, acts as censorship, and Nina Paley made some presentation explaining that point quite well. However removing the copyright restrictions in the law would also make the GPL void, and remove the requirements to redistribute the source code when the user asks for it. I'm not sure that Wesnoth's decision goes in the right direction here, but I also lack a lot of background on the project. Last time I heard about it, the project was threatened by the lack of contributors time. As I remember, several games do have cc-by-nc/cc-by-nd/cc-by-nc-nd licenses for sounds/images/models and some are switching away from that progressively. Also please try to be more constructive while interacting with such upstream projects. A good idea would be to try to check with other people before if the issues are founded or not. Using this mailing list to do that would be way better than directly reporting issues on upstream projects. It could also help you understand better the issues and build a better argumentary. It is also very important for the free software community to keep good relationships with such upstream projects, in order to have better chances of avoiding freedom issues or getting them fixed. A very effective way to prevent freedom issues is also to get involved in such projects and to make significant/important contributions and to get your voice heard (with good argumentation and rationale) when problems arrise. In many cases upstream projects also have freedom issues by using some non-free dependncies due to the lack of time from the developers. So in that case, it is possible to fix that by contributing changes that
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.
Everything you're making a big deal out of has to do with art, not code. I think you are harassing them over a trivial issue. Also, for the love of god please use a real email address. -- Julie Marchant https://onpon4.github.io
