Re: GPL question

2007-05-24 Thread mike3
On May 22, 1:54 pm, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therefore distributing them even separately through different channels is considered the same as distributing them as a whole. So, in other words, the following holds true: If I decide to use GPL code in my program,

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
But the free software is the GPL program -- how does it protect free software by requiring that the non-GPL one become GPL as well? The free software is only the GPL program -- which can function on it's own, unlike the non-GPL program, and if all sources to said

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Then you have agreed to the GPL, and you must cause the whole work to be under the GPL as per section 2(b). This has been answered several times. He is merely aggregating his 100% original work with another work under the GPL you ueber GNUtian retard. The

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] So then why must it too be free, why must the license require that to be free? To keep things free, again, this was answered as well before. Man oh man, you're krank. Suppose he takes PUBLIC DOMAIN work and links it with the GPL'd work. Nobody can apply

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hendrik Belitz wrote: [...] My actual question is: What license am I able to use for my own lib. Whichever you want. Don't take all that GNUtian compatibility nonsense seriously. See http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf regards, alexander.

Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Hendrik Belitz
Dear open-source-fellows, I started developing a project some time ago and want to make it public in the near future. Therefore, I tried to find the most suitable licensing strategy for my stuff which (optionally) depends on a whole bunch of supporting libraries, which means I have find a license

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for further information. I started developing a project some time ago and want to make it

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] So then why must it too be free, why must the license require that to be free? To keep things free, again, this was answered as well before. Man oh man, you're krank. Suppose he takes PUBLIC DOMAIN work and

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Enterprise Open Source: Google, Other Linux Developers Must Share Code

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://linux.sys-con.com/read/380011.htm --- Industry News Enterprise Open Source: Google, Other Linux Developers Must Share Code Software Freedom Law Center Chairman Outlines View By: Enterprise Open Source News Desk May. 23, 2007 11:45 AM Digg This! If you build your business on

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] So then why must it too be free, why must the license require that to be free? To keep things free, again, this was answered as well before. Man oh man, you're krank. Suppose

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not for others. If you

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] So then why must it too be free, why must the license require that to be free? To keep things free, again, this was answered as well

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not for others. If you absolutely feel compelled

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread mike3
On May 24, 1:52 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the free software is the GPL program -- how does it protect free software by requiring that the non-GPL one become GPL as well? The free software is only the GPL program -- which can function on it's

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Translation: GPL restrictions. (English-GNUish dictionary.) Please do not confuse yourself with every

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread John Hasler
David Kastrup writes: Because it does not stay public domain when it is assembled with other material. This is not true in the US. Elements of a work that are in the public domain are not protected by copyright even if the work does contain other elements that are protected. -- John Hasler

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread mike3
On May 24, 2:01 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asked and answered. Your code does not function without the GPL code in this scenario. Therefore it's a derivative of the GPL code. So your code must also be distributed under the GPL. The disconnect that

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread mike3
On May 22, 6:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED](none) (Byron Jeff) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 21, 5:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED](none) (Byron Jeff) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], snip Why? What is the purpose of making the license that way? Oh,

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
But the free software is the GPL program -- how does it protect free software by requiring that the non-GPL one become GPL as well? The free software is only the GPL program -- which can function on it's own, unlike the non-GPL program, and if

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
On May 24, 2:01 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asked and answered. Your code does not function without the GPL code in this scenario. Therefore it's a derivative of the GPL code. So your code must also be distributed under the GPL. The

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Why? What is the purpose of making the license that way? Oh, that's right -- to create MORE free code. Yeah. That's the purpose of the license. It's a pay it forward license. Thank you for vindicating my understanding! I am pleased. Byron Jeff has misunderstood the goal of the

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-05-24, mike3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you agreed to it, you are free not to agree to do so, but then nothing gives you the right to distribute the GPLed program. Please read the GPL, it is very clear. I know, but the thing I'm going after is the reasonableness, rationale,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- linking in the GNU Republic

2007-05-24 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: GNU Reichsminister f�r Volksaufkl�rung und Propaganda Eben Anarchism Triumphant and dot Communist Manifesto Moglen is drooling down his Gerber bib again: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/interviews/6388/1/ --- Question: Is there any provision on GPL V3

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup writes: Because it does not stay public domain when it is assembled with other material. This is not true in the US. Elements of a work that are in the public domain are not protected by copyright even if the work does contain other

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Richard Tobin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright licenses apply to work, idiot. Copyright arises from works, licenses (which require copyright) apply to copies. Stop being an utter idiot. Think human brain. And why I'm not surprised that in the GNU

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not for others. If you

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list. Speak for yourself, not for others. If you

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list.

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: Elements of a work that are in the public domain are not protected by copyright even if the work does contain other elements that are protected. There is one case where this could possibly be slightly relevant... It can be more than slightly relevant if you are sued for copyright

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear open-source-fellows, Please do not confuse us with this movement, we are part of the Free software movement, and promote freedom. Please do not confuse yourself with every reader of this list.

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Again, you resort to petty insults, and spreading misinformation. Nobody claimed anything about everybody, maybe English isn't a language you are proficient in--which is perfectly fine--but us does not refer to everyone. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread none
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? What is the purpose of making the license that way? Oh, that's right -- to create MORE free code. Yeah. That's the purpose of the license. It's a pay it forward license. Thank you for vindicating my

Re: Lost in licensing - is the following strategy water-proof?

2007-05-24 Thread John Hasler
Alfred M\. Szmidt writes: Prohibiting staff from distributing free software is the same as a NDA, in my opinion. It isn't an opinion. It is law. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You can reduce it to a semantic debate. But in the end the GPL is structured so that the only legal way for you to redistribute modified copies of GPL licensed code is to license the modifications under the GPL. There are several ways to come into compliance, this is one of them.

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread none
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can reduce it to a semantic debate. But in the end the GPL is structured so that the only legal way for you to redistribute modified copies of GPL licensed code is to license the modifications under the GPL. There

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread none
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 6:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED](none) (Byron Jeff) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 21, 5:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED](none) (Byron Jeff) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], snip

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You can reduce it to a semantic debate. But in the end the GPL is structured so that the only legal way for you to redistribute modified copies of GPL licensed code is to license the modifications under the GPL. There are several ways to come into compliance, this is one of

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You can reduce it to a semantic debate. But in the end the GPL is structured so that the only legal way for you to redistribute modified copies of GPL licensed code is to license the modifications under the GPL. There are several ways to come into compliance,