Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxcopyr.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:go7vgf$4p...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: I don't know that they are afraid of Verizon, I think that they do understand the meaning of dismissed with predjudice though and have no way to complain

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread amicus_curious
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:1blpl.46156$ci2.13...@newsfe09.iad... On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:26:56 -0500, amicus_curious wrote: Does the binary file which is being distributed reside on the verizon server? If so, then Verizon would be required to make the source

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread Andrew Halliwell
amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) It will be held in the US District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. If not, tomtom could just utterly ignore anything

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Andrew Halliwell wrote: amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) It will be held in the US District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. If not, tomtom

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Pfaff
Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com writes: Tom-Tom is free to abandon the US market if they wish to avoid US courts, of course, but the profits here are just too tempting. It is the same way with Mr. Softee in the EU. They cover their higher costs of business by raising prices a

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-02-27, Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote: amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: What can you do with it as a connected device other than perhaps replace the internal mapping data with a newer version? This is hardly a compelling use. That mapping data is expensive enough

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread amicus_curious
Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote in message news:bd8l76-lk8@ponder.sky.com... amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) It will be held in the US District Court for the

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rahul Dhesi wrote: No, copyright law grants a monopoly on what may be done (e.g., copying, public performance, ...), not where it may be done (who owns the server). Copyright law contains exceptions and distinctions for digital copying over networks. And when a user initiates an action from a

Re: Matt Assay Tells the Truth

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: It won't convince many people but do your best I never expect to convince the GPL opponents, but I will do my best to counter their incorrect statements when they make them, for the benefit of the few other readers who have not yet killfiled us.

is this the fishturd ?

2009-02-27 Thread Doug Mentohl
Rjack wrote: Are .. AKA Gary M .. http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

challenges to free software posed by cloud computing ..

2009-02-27 Thread Doug Mentohl
During a presentation at the Southern California Linux Expo, Software Freedom Law Center technical director Bradley Kuhn explained how the free software community can overcome the challenges posed by cloud computing ..

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/99-1551P.ZO The above ruling is *binding* on every federal court in the land. The above ruling is was about a court dismissing a case upon the merits, not a voluntary dismissal by the plaintiffs. Not only that, the Supreme Court concluded

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] copying over networks. And when a user initiates an action from a browser that goes to a webserver which obtains a file from Hugh? In the case of http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp the initiator of an action relevant to the copyright laws is

Re: is this the fishturd ?

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Doug Mentohl wrote: Rjack wrote: Are .. AKA Gary M .. http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ I didn't see me. Please submit my name for at least an honorable mention. Why not frequent a moderated group where you are less apt to be provoked into fits of childish whining? Killfiles are another

Re: is this the fishturd ?

2009-02-27 Thread Doug Mentohl
Rjack wrote: I .. You are a waste of brain cells ... ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

an overview of Open Source software licenses ..

2009-02-27 Thread Doug Mentohl
The Internet’s growth during the past few years has profoundly affected the way software is licensed and distributed. One of the most important changes that has occurred during this period is the emergence of so-called open source licensing ... http://www.abanet.org/intelprop/opensource.html

Re: challenges to free software posed by cloud computing ..

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Doug Mentohl wrote: During a presentation at the Southern California Linux Expo, Software Freedom Law Center technical director Bradley Kuhn explained how the free software community can overcome the challenges posed by cloud computing ..

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Copyright_Directive http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML (27) The mere provision of physical facilities for enabling or making a communication does not in itself amount to

Re: Matt Assay Tells the Truth

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: It won't convince many people but do your best I never expect to convince the GPL opponents, but I will do my best to counter their incorrect statements when they make them, for the benefit of the few other readers who have not yet killfiled us. They haven't

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Copyright_Directive http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML (27) The mere provision of physical facilities for enabling or making a communication does not in

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Copyright_Directive http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML (27) The mere provision of physical facilities for enabling or making a communication does not in itself

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread amicus_curious
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:axvpl.58231$6r1.31...@newsfe19.iad... amicus_curious wrote: Well, the link resolves to downloads.verizon.net and that is most certainly a Verizon site. You cannot know from the outside what the Verizon webserver is doing when it processes

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Yeh. . . especially since it ain't got no friggin' choice. Why do you believe they had no choice? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: A dismissal with prejudice just means you can't refile for a violation that has already occurred. You can always refile for violations occuring after that. Rjack, how come you don't cite cases when amicus_curious gets the law wrong? OK Rahul. Here's your

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: A dismissal with prejudice just means you can't refile for a violation that has already occurred. You can always refile for violations occuring after that. Rjack, how come you don't cite cases when amicus_curious gets the law wrong? OK

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: To clarify, suppose somebody hits you, and you sue him, and he succeeds in persuading you to dismiss with prejudice. Does this now give that person a lifetime license to hit you any time he wishes? Citations would be great! To clarify, suppose somebody lies about you

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: No one can rely on life being fair. A monopolist like Microsoft with $19 billion in cash on hand will end up calling the shots in a patent war. Fine. A shot in my leg. It is not like I don't have seven others. -- David Kastrup

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each case was settled, the defendants or their agents made the source code properly available under the GPL. Move on to creating explanations to justify the SFLC's evasion of an interpretation of

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each case was settled, the defendants or their agents made the source code properly available under the GPL. Move on to creating explanations to justify the

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
David Kastrup wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each case was settled, the defendants or their agents made the source code properly available under the GPL. Move on to creating

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Peter Köhlmann
Rjack wrote: David Kastrup wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each case was settled, the defendants or their agents made the source code properly available under the GPL. Move on to

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread Rjack
Peter Köhlmann wrote: Rjack wrote: David Kastrup wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each case was settled, the defendants or their agents made the source code properly available under

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-27 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:xo-dnwfrqlit8jxunz2dnuvz_t3in...@giganews.com... Peter Köhlmann wrote: Rjack wrote: David Kastrup wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Rjack wrote: The BusyBox suits are over. Get over spinning the hypothetical settlements. After each

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

2009-02-27 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:00:07 +, Andrew Halliwell wrote: Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: They will be utterly crushed into the ground. Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) If not, tomtom could