Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello! On Fri, Nov 08, 2019 at 04:36:52PM +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. > (...) > If you believe > GNU should be community-run, then you'll want to see a

Re: A purely GNU system? (Was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
A purley GNU system includes, by defintion, non-GNU packages -- see the GNU manifesto. This again is a misunderstanding as to what the GNU system and the GNU project are.

A purely GNU system? (Was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello, On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > This would exclude those cases where we might want to distribute > something under a non-copyleft license for strategical reasons. Not a > GNU project case, but a good example, when RMS argued that Ogg/Vorbis > would be

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. > (...) > If you believe > GNU should be community-run, then you'll want to see a social contract; I agree with this part, and this is

Re: A purely GNU system?

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 08:33:13AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > A purley GNU system includes, by defintion, non-GNU packages -- see > the GNU manifesto. This again is a misunderstanding as to what the > GNU system and the GNU project are. I am not sure whether you have read the text beyond

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You yet again refrained from answering specific questions, and instead when off on a tangent. I think this now shows clearly what your intention are, they aren't about having a discussion, it isn't about trying to understand how this project works first before suggesting a change, or trying to

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
With that said, I am fully in support of having a couple of succinct documents that describe the structure and mission of the GNU project. Richard has also expressed interest in that. I just don't see any need of enacting them as the basis of a formal pledge. Here here!

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> What is the exact _goal_ of this text? We discussed it several times before, notably in these messages: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-10/msg00011.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-10/msg00081.html If the goal is to get all

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-09 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU. An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured server. There are some minimal servers in inetutils and mailutils,

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello, On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >The GNU Project wants to give everyone the opportunity of contributing to >its efforts on any of the many tasks that require work. It welcomes all >contributors, regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexual

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello Alfred, are you making fun of me? In your message I am referring to, you say this: On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > This is quite different than what we our guidelines say, it would be > best to use that text instead: > The GNU Project encourages

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-09 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2019-11-09 11:10, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU. An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured server.

Re: A purely GNU system?

2019-11-09 Thread Andreas Enge
On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 03:15:16PM -0600, Joel Sherrill wrote: > Is glibc purely GNU?  It borrows code from a variety of sources and > was not written completely from scratch.  (Although there are many > parts which are unique to glibc, too.) > What about GNU tar?  It started out

Re: A purely GNU system?

2019-11-09 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Enge: > Now, some musing, which motivated me to change the subject line into > a new thread: I am wondering how functional a system is that > contains only GNU packages? It will lack a graphical environment, > but with grub, hurd, glibc and all other low level projects and the >

Re: A purely GNU system?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The influence of the GNU project is mainly philosophy, not on technical merit -- though that is a huge part as well. I suggest you take some time and read the philosophic section of the GNU project. Or the excellent book, Free Software, Free Society -- you can get it from the FSF. That is where

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
What would people with more experience in this matter suggest? Neither, the GNU project won't have a code of conduct, or any such similar texts. This was quite explictly stated.