Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-21 Thread David Kastrup
Wolfgang Draxinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sherman Pendley wrote: Lorenzo Villari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm maybe wrong, but I was under the impression that for Firefox they use gtk+, which is written in C... Gtk+ is indeed written in C, but it's object-oriented And?! Coding

Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
JohnF wrote: [...] You've probably read this, but just in case: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html Hope that helps. Thanks, Ciaran, for the discussion and very useful information. Now read http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf regards,

softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now read http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf I just skimmed it. I didn't find what the author is trying to prove, but I know that most of your mails about the GPL are claims that it isn't enforceable or doesn't work

Re: softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stop shifting the burden of proof, GNUtian ciaran. Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now read http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf I just skimmed it. I didn't find what the author is trying to prove, but I know that

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: SFLC complaints are to be dismissed automatically (due to lack of jurisdiction). SFLC does dismiss complaints automatically before defendants file any response to the complaint and any ruling from judge (actually before having him a chance to even read the GPL and

Re: softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: It's up to the FSF/SFLC to proof their belief. Thus far, all that we've seen is just a bunch of moronic complaints warranting automatic dismissal AND which were dismissed automatically by the SFLC. The plaintiffs have to prove their beliefs only to the extent that

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: SFLC complaints are to be dismissed automatically (due to lack of jurisdiction). SFLC does dismiss complaints automatically before defendants file any response to the complaint and any ruling from judge (actually before having him a

Re: softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: It's up to the FSF/SFLC to proof their belief. Thus far, all that we've seen is just a bunch of moronic complaints warranting automatic dismissal AND which were dismissed automatically by the SFLC. The plaintiffs have to prove their

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: How come that Verizon still doesn't make GPLed software available as required Hyman? I guess that the plaintiffs decided that having the manufacturer of the routers comply with the GPL was good enough for them, because it would be difficult to explain in court that

Re: softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: It's up to the FSF/SFLC to proof their belief. Hyman Rosen wrote: The plaintiffs have to prove their beliefs only to the extent that the defendants challenge them. According to Hyman if I sue him and shortly dismiss the complaint prior ... then I'm surely has

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SFLC does dismiss complaints automatically before defendants file any response to the complaint and any ruling from judge (actually before having him a chance to even read the GPL and complaint). And afterwards, the GPLed software is found to be available

Re: softwarecombinations paper Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] Even in the Verizon case, on the page to which you always point, http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp, the actual URL for the firmware download is

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Somebody wants to hide something. Who -- the defendants or the SFLC? It's hard to tell. Why do you think anyone is hiding anything? For example, http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2008/mar/17/busybox-verizon/ says As a result of the plaintiffs agreeing to dismiss the

NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 22 July 2008 NYLUG Python Workshop

2008-07-21 Thread secretary
blockquote what=official NYLUG announcement note=The NYLUG Python Workshop meets every second Tuesday. From: NYLUG Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NYLUG Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nylug-announce] NYLUG Python Workshop,

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rahul Dhesi wrote: Somebody wants to hide something. Who -- the defendants or the SFLC? It's hard to tell. Why do you think anyone is hiding anything? For example, http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2008/mar/17/busybox-verizon/ says As a result of the plaintiffs

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
rjack wrote: Although no independently verifiable evidence of record, plaintiffs face-saving blog posts prove their claims after case is voluntarily dismissed with prejudice! It is independently verifiable through the WaybackMachine and other websites that Verizon was distributing the

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rahul Dhesi wrote: Somebody wants to hide something. Who -- the defendants or the SFLC? It's hard to tell. Why do you think anyone is hiding anything? For example, http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2008/mar/17/busybox-verizon/ says [press release

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-21 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rahul Dhesi wrote: I'm inclined to think that at least one of the parties would be harmed or embarrassed if the settlement became public -- otherwise they would have just posted it, on or near the same web page where the complaint was posted.

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-21 Thread lawrence . jones
Willem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words: There cannot be any commercial applicaiton written in C, because in your view it is not well suited to one or two application types you can think of. I don't think that's what James meant. I think when he said commercial application, he really

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-21 Thread Willem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ) I don't think that's what James meant. I think when he said commercial ) application, he really meant business data processing application. C ) really *isn't* well suited to most BDP applications, so his statement is ) much more reasonable when interpreted that way.

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-21 Thread Richard Heathfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Willem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words: There cannot be any commercial applicaiton written in C, because in your view it is not well suited to one or two application types you can think of. I don't think that's what James meant. I think when he said

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
David Kastrup wrote: Well, message passing, the fundamental defining characteristic of OOP (I mean, this is what made Smalltalk revolutionary with regard to programming techniques and gave it its name) requires you to switch sustained execution contexts, basically switching to a different