Re: Shannon Dosemagen and the FSF

Le lundi 2 mars 2020, 20:06:25 CET Leo Famulari a écrit : > John Darrington wrote: > > Over the last few years many people have noticed a shift towards > > extremist support of idealogy which is orthogonal to the Free > > Software cause. > Issues like privacy online, software patents, DRM, open

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Le jeudi 27 février 2020, 16:27:57 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > Frankly, this entire email is a lie. No you can’t say that. > It is very subtle, Yes it is. For that subtle fact: this mail doesn’t contain anything factually false. So it’s not a lie, and doesn’t even necessarily contains

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le jeudi 27 février 2020, 15:36:16 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > If the maintainers don't like the GNU leadership, they should either > conform to GNU requirments or leave. GNU announced they require people to comply, not agree. This is important for free software, to be able to survive even when

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] * Scraping email addresses from a public list" * : What about using bcc to prevent "scraping" email addresses ?

Le mercredi 26 février 2020, 03:58:40 CET Mike Gerwitz a écrit : > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 14:07:42 +, Mancini, Sabin (DFS) wrote: > > Mike, > > What about using bcc to prevent "scraping" email addresses ? > > All mail sent to the list would have to be hidden behind fake addresses > generated

youtube-dl and youtube through free software [Was: Fwd: Re: praising our moderators]

this is automatically generated, and has no capabilities (other than hiding information), doesn’t it have “no meaning” as a program? doesn’t this sort of sub-“evaluation” is something akin to “decrypting”?--- Begin Message --- Alexandre François Garreau writes: > Le mardi 25 février 2020, 05:37

Re: Don't add the NYLXS list to your To: or Cc: fields

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:51:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > Just a heads up: > > Since the easiest way to filter out Ruben's spam is to send everything > associated with that mailing list to /dev/null, having that ML in the > To: or Cc: headers of your email might cause people not to see it,

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Don't add the NYLXS list to your To: or Cc: fields

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:51:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > Just a heads up: > > Since the easiest way to filter out Ruben's spam is to send everything > associated with that mailing list to /dev/null, having that ML in the > To: or Cc: headers of your email might cause people not to see it,

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 22:23:19 CET Alexandre François Garreau a écrit : > Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:30:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > > I fear that with the direction these guys want to take GNU, it will > > become a project aimed primarily at white middle class mostly-ma

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:30:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > On 25.02.2020 19:45, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > > Also I was commenting on the fact supporters of CoC don’t even abide > > by > > them. So it is likely they’re subjective enough not to realize they &g

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 13:26:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > because moderators have suppressed > opposition to the rebelion by Andy and company, I have chosen in this > case to NOT allow you to censor me. This is wrong. There is still opposition from initiatives by Andy on this list. And

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:16:03 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > On 25.02.2020 19:59, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > > Le lundi 24 février 2020, 23:00:22 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > >> Not sure how to best filter these. Gmail doesn't seem to have > >> anyth

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 15:22:52 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 08:56:24AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > The text circulated is not a text by or for the GNU project, so this > > is indeed not the best place for discussion of it > > Quite on the contrary, it is a text

Re: praising our moderators

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 05:37:56 CET Mark Galassi a écrit : > It should be possible to watch this without proprietary s/w on your own > computer: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDAl7lGGtSo afaik no. Do you know a software that does it? because youtube changed so that the only software

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 02:34:07 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > > It was, and it is not “tolerated”, this is bad faith: it is simply > > impossible to do anything about that. > > gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org list owners could remove ru..

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 23:00:22 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit : > You're right, he seems to have changed the strategy or something. I'm > getting mails again now. You need to filter by the “list-id” header. It is always “hangout.nylxs.com”. That doesn’t change and it’s nice it doesn’t.

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 18:40:38 CET Marcel a écrit : > You may be able to add filters through your email provider's interface, > based on the unique identifiers in those messages. I have successfully > removed all of his spam in this way; the emails never make it to my > inboxes. Thankfully

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 21:07:27 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit : > Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > It isn't tolerated, but it is also something that those administrating > > gnu-misc-discuss@ (or any GNU list) can do little about. You've been > > forcefully subscribed to another list, the GNU project

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:25:13 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-24 19:36, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > > Le samedi 22 février 2020, 20:48:43 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > >> If anything, this message shows how much a code of conduct is needed.

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 09:49:02 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit : > On 25.02.2020 3:58, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > >> Regarding punishing repeat offenders anyway, as we've seen just > >> recently, you can't censor a determined individual on a public > >> m

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 12:31:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58:28PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > Firstly: I'm sorry that you are receiving those messages. People > > should not feel harassed in that way when communicating on GNU lists. > > WRONG > > When people

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 20:48:43 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > If anything, this message shows how much a code of conduct is needed. I’ve just read https://wiki.gnu.tools/wiki:code-of-conduct Beside the usage of the binary *-free english phrasing which is unfortunate when applied to human

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Harrassment on this list

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 15:57:39 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit : > Ian Lance Taylor skribis: > > nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: > >> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night > >> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew, > >> you > >> know

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le mardi 25 février 2020, 00:55:09 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > As I mentioned in another mail, I am not talking about the software > running the platform, but the community around the platform. It's the > contact they get from the community living on a given platform, which > makes the

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

> Regarding punishing repeat offenders anyway, as we've seen just > recently, you can't censor a determined individual on a public mailing > list anyway. Limit their audience, sure, but banning them outright seems > impossible. And I can hardly see the whole GNU project migrating off > mailing

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 11:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit : > On 23.02.2020 23:34, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > > I do see that some people do not judge the document for what it > > actually says, and I think it’s a pity. > > > > Over the last decade I have, again, not been silent about a desire to

Re: ru...@mrbrklyn.com: Please remove me from your hang...@nylxs.com or vill...@mrbrklyn.com mailing lists

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 06:28:07 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit : > Taylan Kammer wrote: > > I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve... > > What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying > intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to harassment.

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 03:26:17 CET DJ Delorie a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau writes: > > Yet expressing it directly, without filter, it has already been > > said, is unkind. > > I agree, and I think this is a key point to understand. The FSF has Wait why “t

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 19:50:23 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 01:04:45PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > A code of conduct will not sovle the issue. Kind communication will, > > your message like the previous poster are both unkind. > > Well, stating that a person

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 23:35:56 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-22 18:58, Amin Bandali wrote: > > "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> writes: > > > > [...] > > > >> You are sick. > > > > I urge you to consider the GNU Kind Communications

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 22:34:32 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit : > Hi, > > Eli Zaretskii skribis: > >> From: Ludovic Courtès > > [...] > > >> The GNU Social Contract is about changing that. > > > > How can you change that if the document is voluntary? > > Endorsers will know what to

Re: lese majeste

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 22:01:42 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > Why should anyone be kind and meek in the face of fascists? Because it weakens your point. Especially on a written medium. > That's not what our forefathers did. Not on mailing-lists. World change. > That

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 21:21:18 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > Well, I will let it drop - I am quite optimistic that personally I will > survive to insults by random strangers on the Internet. > > The reason I have been insisting is that inaction towards this kind of > behaviour kills

Re: Endorsing a GNU social contract

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 21:10:01 CET Tobias Geerinckx-Rice a écrit : > As lowly co-consp^Wmaintainer of GNU Guix I endorse version 1.0 x'D Sincerely, genuine irony/auto-derision can be amusing, even when disagreeing :') I wish more people had the cleverness of showing empathy in these

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:13:51 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > > trying to

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:18:59 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 09:11:46PM +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > For what it's worth, I believe you have failed to be kind in several > > occasions; from a quick sample of three of your messages I found one > > which was

Re: Harrassment on this list

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:13:51 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > > trying to

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

rms cannot be simply reinstated into FSF because he left himself willingly. For him to go back inside FSF would require initiative from him, added to efforts of both parts.

Re: Freed Software and Gaming

Le mercredi 19 février 2020, 21:53:45 CET orbulon--- via General GNU project and free software discussions a écrit : > What do you guys think about all this? What else could be done to > promote free software in gaming? Money (if only FSF’s money could be used for such things) Careful study of

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le jeudi 20 février 2020, 22:55:37 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-20 11:42, Andreas R. wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 02:45:02PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >> > On the flip side, an argument is made that your initiative might > >> > make GNU more exclusionary

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le jeudi 20 février 2020, 18:39:52 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alfred M. Szmidt, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 12:32:16 -0500, a ecrit: > >> > Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely > >> > unknown > >> > to free software enthousiasts. As in, when you'd ask people > >

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le jeudi 20 février 2020, 05:08:13 CET DJ Delorie a écrit : > Jean Louis writes: > > * DJ Delorie [2020-02-19 21:01]: > >> "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> writes: > >> > On 2020-02-17 12:37, Andy Wingo wrote: > >> >> Thought experiment: what would GNU be if all of its

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le vendredi 21 février 2020, 22:57:55 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le ven. 21 févr. 2020 11:59:42 +0100, a ecrit: > > Le jeudi 20 février 2020, 18:39:52 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > I'm not saying that GNU will necessarily stop growing and d

Another idea of health indice [Was: Re: State of the GNUnion 2020]

I’ve another idea of measurement: What software is for? Is software first of all for developers, or users? For people who write it, or people who run it? I mean, software is made to be used right? not only read (and actually, continuously changing software also is an issue for those who read,

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le jeudi 20 février 2020, 14:45:02 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Dmitry Gutov, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 15:31:17 +0200, a ecrit: > > On the flip side, an argument is made that your initiative might make > > GNU more exclusionary because of the extra conditions on what it > > takes to be a part of

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 23:01:54 CET Andreas R. a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> We have never pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project > >> philosophy [..] people are welcome to contribute to GNU regardless > >> of their views.> > > The

Re: about the GNU promise

Le mercredi 12 février 2020, 06:54:10 CET Mike Gerwitz a écrit : > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 16:32:53 -0500, nylxs wrote: > > On 2/6/20 5:36 AM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> The goal is to acknowledge that GNU is not the only free software > >> provider, and that the GNU Project (socially) and the

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 00:02:27 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 23:32:13 +0100, a ecrit: > > giving a link to GNU coding standards (actually even packaged into > > debian), for instance, would be pretty reasonable mento

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 22:52:11 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > * Alex Taylor [2020-02-22 10:31]: > > Recently we have been "invited" to approve a thing which is being > > called the "social contract". If the text is read, it will be seen > > that it has three parts. > > > > The first part is

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 22:50:03 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 22:43:36 +0100, a ecrit: > > Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:10:33 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 19:21:

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 22:32:24 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Jean Louis, le dim. 23 févr. 2020 00:04:46 +0300, a ecrit: > > GNU project is about making free operating system, thus it is there, > > as long as it is compatible with computers, you may carry it on in the > > future life. > >

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:49:13 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss), le sam. 22 févr. 2020 12:22:55 -0800, a ecrit: > > On 2020-02-22 01:50, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Really, not including the next generations in a project is running > > > the > > > risk of the

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:43:00 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss), le sam. 22 févr. 2020 10:22:55 -0800, a ecrit: > > On 2020-02-22 01:50, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Yes. Which doesn't mean they should immediately be given commit > > > power > > > etc. But at

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:15:19 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 13:50:49 +0100, a ecrit: > > Le vendredi 21 février 2020, 22:57:55 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > Alexandre François Garreau, le ven. 21 févr. 2

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:10:33 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 19:21:18 +0100, a ecrit: > > I recall some of them (likely one of those you’re thinking about is > > the > > same as I), > > Possibly. FDN

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

gnu.org/philosophy already defines in detail, less in detail, GNU can be defined like “a free-software OS project started by rms, who increasingly delegates on other hackers, and accept contributions”. Then if you really want it self-contained, you copy/paste some of what’s already in

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

Le vendredi 21 février 2020, 22:55:04 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau, le ven. 21 févr. 2020 12:39:37 +0100, a ecrit: > > It is defeatist because it departs from the basic idea you’ll *have* > > to > > exclude someone at some point. No soluti

Re: Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 18:41:48 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > Alex Taylor skribis: > > Recently we have been "invited" to approve a thing which is being > > called the "social contract". > > I don’t think you have been invited to anything since you’re not in the >

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 17:01:32 CET 徐继哲 - Xu Jizhe a écrit : > 在 2020年02月22日 23:55, Alexandre François Garreau 写道: > > Le samedi 22 février 2020, 16:54:05 CET 徐继哲 - Xu Jizhe a écrit : > >> 在 2020年02月22日 20:51, Alexandre François Garreau 写道: > >>> rms cannot

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 16:54:05 CET 徐继哲 - Xu Jizhe a écrit : > 在 2020年02月22日 20:51, Alexandre François Garreau 写道: > > rms cannot be simply reinstated into FSF because he left himself > > willingly. > > I don't think so. Officially, it was so. He never denied so. Th

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 21:27:51 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > It is objected to and resisted by the GNU > Project. No. rms said people could publish whatever they want, and GNU project doesn’t oppose a such initiative, but doesn’t support either. What it object to, is calling it “GNU”.

Re: GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:07:36 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : > Maybe you could call your new group "GNU Europe", But many of them are USAians, aren’t they?

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le mercredi 12 février 2020, 19:50:49 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-10 07:32, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > There were several pieces of feedback that were either not sent to the > > public list, or are still held up in moderation. > > Maybe that contract should include a

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 12:20:07 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : > On 16/02/2020 09:43, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >Can there be a more efficient way to achieve this? > > > > Since the GNU project isn't in control of the ghost list, we can't do > > much to address that. :-( Do you have any

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 10:03:11 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : > Some odd things appear to be going on between gnu-misc-discuss and > hang...@nylxs.com > > Some people appear to be cross-posting to both lists and/or other lists Likely Ruben, right? he used that same domain once for personal

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moderation

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 09:38:52 CET Kim Lee a écrit : > u wnt it both ways! under the 1 hand u want moderation. at the same > time u want not to be. > i think u want other people moderated but not u. > > u r just arrogent! Worse: > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 um 01:23 Uhr >

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:37:33 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote: > > > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not > > > presuming anything else. It is you who write

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:27:22 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:52:10AM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 05:27:17AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > Since you are not the head of the GNU project, it is not in your > > > capacity to decide what

GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:25:56 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > I agree with your analysis that trying to form a stronger GNU community > should (and probaby will) be an open-ended process, requiring ongoing > efforts with all interested people. And maybe people who are not > interested in the

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit : > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote: > > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not > > presuming anything else. It is you who write "all GNU contributors", > > not me. > Saying "us, GNU contributors" is

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 11:52:08 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit : >This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. > > That is quite false, you're free to do any kind of initiatives you > wish, so it is quite the opposite. What the GNU project won't do is > to require volunteers

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 02:33:35 CET Mark Wielaard a écrit : > This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. You may as well say “by the GNU Project in its current govermental state”. But as you seem to be willing to ignore anything said to you about what is GNU currently, as if

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

Le jeudi 13 février 2020, 18:43:33 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On 2/12/20 12:54 AM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > Personal attacks weaken your argument and are not appropriate for this > > list. > > No censorship does that. Censorship doesn’t work since you circumvent it by using several mail and

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] security alert... worth noting

Le vendredi 14 février 2020, 20:52:06 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > Not everyone has that control over their mail, unfortunately. You can still filter client-side. Most clients do that, and if your mail- reading software is free, it is easy to implement. Either you do that per

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What's GNU -- and what's not

Don’t use capslocks. I mean, don’t avoid to use them while you mean them. But if you *feel* you mean and thus need them, just wait a little, calm down, do something else, write your thing, and only when you becomes getting indifferent enough about what you wrote to be able to remove

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Cause for bans

Le jeudi 6 février 2020, 10:51:24 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit : > John Darrington skribis: >> > The draft of the Social Contract at > does not mention how people > should be “expelled” if they “disagree”. On the contrary: it’s about > building a

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What's GNU -- and what's not

Le lundi 10 février 2020, 00:18:30 CET Mark Wielaard a écrit : > Hi Frederico, > > On Sun, Feb 09, 2020 at 01:48:28AM +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > I'd like to stress a passage which made me think quite a bit: > > > We have never > > > pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

Le lundi 3 février 2020, 16:28:52 CET Benno Schulenberg a écrit : > But in practice the GNU project requires > that significant contributors sign a copyright assignment, and that > translators sign a copyright disclaimer. Well, maybe it concerns only softwares, but once rms wrote something on ML

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] about the GNU promise

Le mercredi 5 février 2020, 07:45:48 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-03 07:28, Benno Schulenberg wrote: > > the GNU System". Oof... Who are those "companion free software > > projects"? > > This is basically just taking a mile-wide detour around saying "Linux". > >

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

Indeed, yet I heard Gnome want since quite some time now distance itself from GNU, as an independent, not GNU-related project. Furthermore, the (not always implementd) will to go toward a “cloud” (SaaSS) approach, recalling me the dark times of the French Minitel, scared me and hinted me that

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as official graphical interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not managed by GNU ^^ They’re not GNU packages. The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as individual and per their opinions and thoughts. Yet, there is

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated > > t

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU. An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured server. There are some minimal servers in inetutils and mailutils,

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le vendredi 8 novembre 2019, 19:08:02 CET Thompson, David a écrit : > I read [last Brandon’s speculation] a few times, but I am unable to see how this qualifies as "kind communication." Interesting analysis. Could you further develop on why? I don’t see how.

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

Le vendredi 8 novembre 2019, 09:01:14 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > A typical GNU/Linux distribution include more than just GNU userland > on top of Linux. It can be argued that the name GNU/Linux is incomplete > and excludes contributions from other sources, the same way that >

Re: Enlightenment (Was: A GNU “social contract”?)

Le jeudi 7 novembre 2019, 12:13:47 CET Andreas a écrit : > "We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide > about the organization of the project *[because]* the GNU Project we > want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom." > > This implies the

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 22:11:03 CET Andreas a écrit : > On Wed, 2019-11-06 at 19:31 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > > > > > > Let me quote once more the paragraph that we are supposedly > > > > discussing: > > > * GNU welcomes contributions from all and everyone > > > We want to give everyone

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019 19:31:17 CET, vous avez écrit : > Hello, > > I will reply once more, but it may be the last time in this thread. Please, > Alexandre and others, if you wish to contribute, stop rambling and come to > the point, and actually try to stick to a point that is raised and

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 09:56:20 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > > Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of > > formalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by > > inventing

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 17:01:50 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > * Thompson [2019-11-06 15:37]: > > They have engaged in behavior that ranges from annoying at best to > > hateful at worst on many GNU lists. > And I was > faced with Ludovic's promotion of public shaming on the Guix mailing >

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 14:00:33 CET Thompson, David a écrit : > Hello moderators, > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote: > > there has been NO problematic behavior by RMS. You would never have > > survived 30+ years in the spotlight like he has. He has been rock solid > >

Re: list moderation

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 12:17:18 CET Marcel a écrit : > On 11/6/19 5:51 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: > >> Can you explain how “moderation was being used in a biased manner”, > >> giving specific examples? > > > > I am also interested in answers to this question. > > You can look at the arbitrary

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

ee, software is an attack at human freedom, it is tool of subjugation. [0] §2 https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html#learnprogramming > On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:04:03AM +0100, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: > > No you misunderstood the role, which is technical. So ambass

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

*Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 21:58:42 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :* *> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 11:49:03PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:* *> > Andreas Enge wrote:* *> > > For instance, I would not find it acceptable that a GNU maintainer goes* *> > > to FOSDEM to give a talk about their newest open

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 21:31:09 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > Hello, > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 12:46:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > In the GNU project everyone is welcome, even people who do not share > > the goals and philosophy of the GNU project. > > I do not think this makes

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 18:58:04 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit : > But you'd have to agree on the GNU goals if you are > to take responsibilities in the GNU project, such as being maintainer > of a package (as in: responsible for the package, and not only a > contributor). I disagree! Maintainer

Re: Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to reveal identity and assign copyright

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019 03:27:01 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-06 03:14]: > > It’s natural to generalize, problem when generalization actually > > (linearly/ > > monodimensionally) hierarchize people and becomes part of division cult

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 00:36:29 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > * John Wiegley [2019-11-05 23:26]: > > He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy > > supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce. > > Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free

Re: Is negative publicity always harmful?

Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 19:48:36 CET Dmitry Alexandrov a écrit : > Brandon Invergo wrote: > > Dmitry Alexandrov writes: > >> Iʼm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the core > >> competency of an organization — yes, is perhaps is the most harmful > >> thing for it. > >>

Re: Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to reveal identity and assign copyright

Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 23:21:48 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > * Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 16:56]: > > > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen > > > names. > > > > Why is it specific to ‘America country’ (whatever it is)? > > I meant USA. > >

Re: list moderation

Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 22:17:07 CET Brandon Invergo a écrit : > We do have a problem with someone under moderation who is sending > messages off-list. It probably would have happened eventually anyway, > no matter who was moderating. Anyway, I do not know how to moderate > that. If you have

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