Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

>Is FSF censoring gnu-misc-discuss and other GNU lists and are >these other things an attempt to circumvent that? > > The FSF is not handling moderation of GNU project mailing lists, > nor is there any censorship going on here anymore. The list _is_ I noticed some of

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On 16/02/2020 09:43, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >Is FSF censoring gnu-misc-discuss and other GNU lists and are these >other things an attempt to circumvent that? > > The FSF is not handling moderation of GNU project mailing lists, nor > is there any censorship going on here anymore. The

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit : > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote: > > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not > > presuming anything else. It is you who write "all GNU contributors", > > not me. > Saying "us, GNU contributors" is

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 12:20:07 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : > On 16/02/2020 09:43, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >Can there be a more efficient way to achieve this? > > > > Since the GNU project isn't in control of the ghost list, we can't do > > much to address that. :-( Do you have any

Re: GNU Social Contract 1.0 - doubts

Phil Maker wrote: > Ludovic, ..., > > Re the Social Contract I'm sure greater minds than mine have looked at > it but I feel obliged to make some sort of response of which the next > paragraph is the only > important one. > > Given the two options "I endorse" or "I do not adhere to" may I be

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Is FSF censoring gnu-misc-discuss and other GNU lists and are these other things an attempt to circumvent that? The FSF is not handling moderation of GNU project mailing lists, nor is there any censorship going on here anymore. The list _is_ moderated but that is to get rid of very nasty

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On 16/02/2020 12:59, Ruben Safir wrote: > It is pretty simple. Stop trying to remove the emotional content > of my emails in face of this broad injustice to RMS and GNU This is a legitimate and important point Any serious course on communication teaches that logos, ethos and pathos go

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On 2020-02-16 05:20, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 10:43:44 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit : Is FSF censoring gnu-misc-discuss and other GNU lists and are these other things an attempt to circumvent that? The FSF is not handling moderation of GNU project

Re: GNU Social Contract version 1.0

* Andreas Enge [2020-02-15 11:29]: > Hello all, > > just a public heads-up on progress on the GNU Social Contract. That is misleading and misguiding as in last days, on this public and official GNU mailing list it was announced that "GNU Social Contract" is not authorized by GNU project, it is

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:52:10AM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 05:27:17AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > Since you are not the head of the GNU project, it is not in your > > capacity to decide what the values of the GNU project are. > > Well, being just one out of,

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote: > >It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not > >presuming > >anything else. It is you who write "all GNU contributors", not me. > > Saying "us, GNU contributors" is

Aw: Re: Moderation

    u wnt it both ways!  under the 1 hand u want moderation.  at the same time u want not to be.   i think u want other people moderated but not u.   u r just arrogent! Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 um 01:23 Uhr Von: "Mark Wielaard" An: "Ludovic Courtès" Cc: "Mike Gerwitz" ,

duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Some odd things appear to be going on between gnu-misc-discuss and hang...@nylxs.com Some people appear to be cross-posting to both lists and/or other lists Somebody appears to have set up out-of-band forwarding of messages from the list hang...@nylxs.com to go to other individual addresses

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 02:33:35 CET Mark Wielaard a écrit : > This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. You may as well say “by the GNU Project in its current govermental state”. But as you seem to be willing to ignore anything said to you about what is GNU currently, as if

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:37:33 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote: > > > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not > > > presuming anything else. It is you who write

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On 16/02/2020 15:02, John Darrington wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 01:44:57PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> >> On 16/02/2020 12:59, Ruben Safir wrote: >>> It is pretty simple. Stop trying to remove the emotional content >>> of my emails in face of this broad injustice to RMS and GNU >>

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 11:52:08 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit : >This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. > > That is quite false, you're free to do any kind of initiatives you > wish, so it is quite the opposite. What the GNU project won't do is > to require volunteers

GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:25:56 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > I agree with your analysis that trying to form a stronger GNU community > should (and probaby will) be an open-ended process, requiring ongoing > efforts with all interested people. And maybe people who are not > interested in the

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moderation

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 09:38:52 CET Kim Lee a écrit : > u wnt it both ways! under the 1 hand u want moderation. at the same > time u want not to be. > i think u want other people moderated but not u. > > u r just arrogent! Worse: > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 um 01:23 Uhr >

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

On 16.02.2020 3:37, Ruben Safir wrote: No - you did that when you accused Stallman of being in support of Rape and discriminating against women. Err, I didn't.

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:27:22 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:52:10AM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 05:27:17AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > Since you are not the head of the GNU project, it is not in your > > > capacity to decide what

Re: gnu social construct 1.0 endorsement

Snce these endorsements of a non-GNU document are repetitive, and do not foster any discussion topic, specifically since the GNU project is not going to adopt anything like this -- can you please recommend people to not post them here?

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 01:44:57PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 16/02/2020 12:59, Ruben Safir wrote: > > It is pretty simple. Stop trying to remove the emotional content > > of my emails in face of this broad injustice to RMS and GNU > > This is a legitimate and important point I'm

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Hoi Janneke, On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 20:28 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > I, a maintainer of GNU Mes and GNU LilyPond and a developer on GNU Guix > and GNU 8sync, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available > at . Thanks for your

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 03:12:49PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 16/02/2020 15:02, John Darrington wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 01:44:57PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 16/02/2020 12:59, Ruben Safir wrote: > >>> It is pretty simple. Stop trying to remove the

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 01:43:15PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > On the other hand, using this list to vent emotion (even when > > > severly provoked) is not, in my opinion, an acceptable use. > > > Human beings have emotion and telling someone that are > pissing them off is 100% proper

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

On 2020-02-16 11:42, Ruben Safir wrote: Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President of the FSF The FSF minus Stallman is a rotten organization; simply adding Stallman back is not enough. It could

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Social Contract version 1.0

On 16.02.2020 13:45, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: No, actually english is what makes that ambiguous (I guess by default it’d be the same in russian wouldn’t it?). Exactly (and your first option in French as well, I take it). So we can't blame English. Dropping ", GNU contributors" from

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Mark Wielaard writes: > Hi all, > > After several months since our statement that it is time for GNU > maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the > project, we are finally ready for a first small step towards that. > > There was a bit of push back that left us no choice than

Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President of the FSF Nobody but Stallman can do what he does, as a spokeman, and strategic planner to protect end users from the abuses of non-free software. The

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-16 11:28, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: The goal of the GNU Social Contract is to state the core values GNU maintainers who have endorsed it are committed to uphold. It is both an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader free software community. Thank you all

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Dmitry, On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 19:31 +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 15.02.2020 3:33, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. > > Nevertheless, we consider it a legitimate action by and for GNU > > maintainers to collectively define the core

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

On 2/16/20 02:42 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the > FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President > of the FSF > +1 > Nobody but Stallman can do what he does, as a spokeman, and strategic > planner to

The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

Simple user here. On 2/16/20 20:28 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Of course it is a personal choice for every one of us whether or not to > uphold these basic GNU values. I know that GNU maintainers are not > required to adhere or uphold even any free software values and I must > say that was

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01:26AM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Hoi Janneke, > > On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 20:28 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > I, a maintainer of GNU Mes and GNU LilyPond and a developer on GNU Guix > > and GNU 8sync, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available >

Re: duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 02:12:38PM -0500, John Darrington wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 01:43:15PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > On the other hand, using this list to vent emotion (even when > > > > severly provoked) is not, in my opinion, an acceptable use. > > > > > > Human beings

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 08:28:50PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Thank you all for working on this. > There is nothing to thank them for. They are doing it for there own greedy reasons. > > If you are a GNU maintainer and do support this initiative please reply > > to this email, Reply-To

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2020-02-16 23:17]: > On 2020-02-16 11:42, Ruben Safir wrote: > > Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the > > FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President > > of the FSF > > The FSF

Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF

Ruben Safir wrote: Nobody but Stallman can do what he does, as a spokeman, and strategic planner to protect end users from the abuses of non-free software. If that's true then everything RMS headed up is in deep trouble. At some point everyone needs to be replaced if only because nobody lives

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 10:03:11 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : > Some odd things appear to be going on between gnu-misc-discuss and > hang...@nylxs.com > > Some people appear to be cross-posting to both lists and/or other lists Likely Ruben, right? he used that same domain once for personal

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] State of the GNUnion 2020

On Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:00:51 EET DJ Delorie wrote: > a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > You make the incorrect assumption that the health of the GNU project > > should be measured in how many new projects are adopted or released -- > > instead of what our goal is to provide a

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] duplicated messages and NYLXS cross-posting

On 2020-02-16 05:29, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 12:20:07 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit : Users who control their own mail servers probably have tactical solutions they can use, e.g. /etc/postfix/access Overkill, it’s not made for that, you’d better use