Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 13:30:09 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Please refrain. It is not
> nice to call people that way.
It wasn’t strictly insulting, tho… was it?
> I understand your feelings, but the discussion is not place for
> animosity and hatred towards any group of people. Be it American,
>
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 13:17:47 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 12:28]:
> > I think women (and more generally, contributors, and stable ones) are even
> > too few to see any formal preference of anybody over anybody within GNU
> >
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:09:56 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:00]:
> > Purism do not respect users’ freedom:
> > https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported
> >
> > Actually they “disable” it, but sinc
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 14:51:08 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]:
> > Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new
> > laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems
> > that can be installed without
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:05:02 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Myself I do not see any real problem in gender cap, as it is something
> one cannot really control. It indicates that society's type and its
> culture is generaly to blame for gendera gaps. Maybe there are
> sucessful actions to learn from
Le dimanche 27 octobre 2019, 18:55:59 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit :
> that
> "stubborn governance" is what is needed to keep things free. If
> anything, we should have even more stubborn goverance -- and that can
> only be done by a trusted group of people that are willing to uphold
> the values
Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 17:27:53 CET Sandra Loosemore a écrit :
> On 11/1/19 3:32 AM, Andreas Enge wrote:
> > Do you have ideas on how to change that, maybe on a per-package basis?
> > For instance, did you experience things in GCC/Binutils or in other
> > environments that you think might
Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 20:32:42 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-01 20:30]:
> > Thank you for your answer,
> >
> > Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 18:37:54 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> > > That was a statement that was crea
Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 14:09:23 CET Dora Scilipoti a écrit :
> On 11/01/2019 07:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > Ruben is a prolific poster who has already made his case that all this
> > is just falsehoods and defamation. We are just going to have to agree
> > to disagree on that.
>
> Well,
Le jeudi 31 octobre 2019, 02:36:03 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On 10/30/19 7:22 PM, Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> > And then there were RMS's disgusting public comments defending sexual
> > exploitation of minors,
>
> There was nothing disgusting about it and he absolutely 100% wasn't
> defending
Thank you for your answer,
Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 18:37:54 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> That was a statement that was created, people from various parts of
> the world cannot possibly make a joint statement in same time. There
> was initator to that statement, and initator invited other
Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 16:23:28 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 09:25:17AM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 9:20 AM Dora Scilipoti wrote:
> > > Please note that the message posted by a woman on Oct 30 contains a
> > > repetition of what we all
Le jeudi 31 octobre 2019 11:51:12 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Did you see in that message calling people "old white men"? Based upon
> your own standards of what is kind and what not, it is kind to call
> "old white men" but it is not kind to respond to such allegations?
Indeed not. Because “old
He changed his mind since then.
https://www.stallman.org/archives/2019-sep-dec.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong)
Yet that looked as “excentrical” as his other uncommon views (about
necrophilia, bestiality, etc. etc.), and was drown into these until now: too
bad
Le jeudi 31 octobre 2019, 04:04:37 CET wayne, steve a écrit :
> Long time listener, first time caller.
>
> Ruben, for what it's worth your frothy-at-the-mouth email filled with
> tropes of male nerd chauvinism probably isn't a great argument against
> "this community is filled with reasons for
Le samedi 2 novembre 2019, 10:57:54 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit :
> But that is the thing -- GNU maintainers don't agree to anything other
> than technical aspects. The GNU project isn't about founding a
> community, it is about creating a free operating system.
That is even more important that
Le samedi 2 novembre 2019, 14:43:45 CET Jan Nieuwenhuizen a écrit :
> Alfred M. Szmidt writes:
> > But that is the thing -- GNU maintainers don't agree to anything
>
> Could you please make it more clear in your messages when you speak for
> yourself, i.e.: "I don't agree to ..." and refrain from
I have been censored too, just to stop thread continuing I think. If I was
unkind or too prolific (that sometimes happen) I’d like being told so. I could
also apologize and explain then, and I hope a corrected error, among other
uncorrected errors, could have on mind a better overall effect
Le samedi 2 novembre 2019, 20:01:24 CET Carlos O'Donell a écrit :
> I don't see why I should not be a moderator. Everyone has some kind of
> bias. Moderation is a difficult task.
To begin with, indeed everybody is to be biased, in the end… but what kind of
bias? Someone not having signed might
Le samedi 2 novembre 2019, 01:28:32 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> Alexandre François Garreau, le ven. 01 nov. 2019 19:23:40 +0100, a ecrit:
> > Would be better if, like other mailing-list softwares I saw, we could
> > be resent back the previous mail by asking the mailing-list sof
I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as official
graphical
interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not managed by GNU ^^ They’re not
GNU packages.
The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as individual and per
their opinions and thoughts. Yet, there is
Indeed, yet I heard Gnome want since quite some time now distance itself from
GNU, as an independent, not GNU-related project.
Furthermore, the (not always implementd) will to go toward a “cloud” (SaaSS)
approach, recalling me the dark times of the French Minitel, scared me and
hinted me that
Le vendredi 8 novembre 2019, 09:01:14 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a
écrit :
> A typical GNU/Linux distribution include more than just GNU userland
> on top of Linux. It can be argued that the name GNU/Linux is incomplete
> and excludes contributions from other sources, the same way that
>
Le vendredi 8 novembre 2019, 19:08:02 CET Thompson, David a écrit :
> I read [last Brandon’s speculation] a few times, but I am unable to see how
this qualifies as "kind communication."
Interesting analysis. Could you further develop on why? I don’t see how.
*Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 21:58:42 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :*
*> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 11:49:03PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:*
*> > Andreas Enge wrote:*
*> > > For instance, I would not find it acceptable that a GNU maintainer goes*
*> > > to FOSDEM to give a talk about their newest open
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 22:17:07 CET Brandon Invergo a écrit :
> We do have a problem with someone under moderation who is sending
> messages off-list. It probably would have happened eventually anyway,
> no matter who was moderating. Anyway, I do not know how to moderate
> that. If you have
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 21:31:09 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 12:46:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> > In the GNU project everyone is welcome, even people who do not share
> > the goals and philosophy of the GNU project.
>
> I do not think this makes
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 23:21:48 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> * Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 16:56]:
> > > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen
> > > names.
> >
> > Why is it specific to ‘America country’ (whatever it is)?
>
> I meant USA.
>
>
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 00:36:29 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> * John Wiegley [2019-11-05 23:26]:
> > He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy
> > supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce.
>
> Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019 03:27:01 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-06 03:14]:
> > It’s natural to generalize, problem when generalization actually
> > (linearly/
> > monodimensionally) hierarchize people and becomes part of division cult
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 18:09:08 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> Wow, this is so welcoming a community...
>
> Samuel
I don’t know if my MUA is failing… and understood you were talking about Ruben
and not me only thanks to headers (now I’m even more strongly against single
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:17:16 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Samuel Thibault writes:
> > Wow, this is so welcoming a community...
> >
> > Samuel
>
> Ruben has been placed under moderation and I rejected the message that
> you are referring to. If you received it, it's because he sent it to
> you
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 19:48:36 CET Dmitry Alexandrov a écrit :
> Brandon Invergo wrote:
> > Dmitry Alexandrov writes:
> >> Iʼm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the core
> >> competency of an organization — yes, is perhaps is the most harmful
> >> thing for it.
> >>
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 18:58:04 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> But you'd have to agree on the GNU goals if you are
> to take responsibilities in the GNU project, such as being maintainer
> of a package (as in: responsible for the package, and not only a
> contributor).
I disagree! Maintainer
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:17:16 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Samuel Thibault writes:
> > Wow, this is so welcoming a community...
> >
> > Samuel
I initially thought that was in answer to a message of mine, because my MUA
placed it under…
> Ruben has been placed under moderation and I rejected
Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even
more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU.
An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured
server. There are some minimal servers in inetutils and mailutils,
Le jeudi 7 novembre 2019, 12:13:47 CET Andreas a écrit :
> "We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide
> about the organization of the project *[because]* the GNU Project we
> want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom."
>
> This implies the
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 17:30:18 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Alexandre François Garreau writes:
> > Aren’t these two statements contradictory (as governance is made of by
> > people, and currently a single one)? as it was stated before (for
> > instance by Dora)
> Conside
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:11:25 CET, vous avez écrit :
> On 11/5/19 12:11 PM, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Stop that. Insults are even more meaningless now you’ve kept repeating
> > them
>
> Hes an animal and your an idiot if you think you can reason with him.
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 11:59:18 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit :
> silenced the rest of us.
How’s that? Pre-moderation were off, afaiu.
Also, what likely best silenced some people is likely the previous hours and
timezones and the sleep that commonly occurs for them during them.
> In [24
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:04:56 CET, vous avez écrit :
> How about this. You are a [insults insults insults etc…]
Stop that. Insults are even more meaningless now you’ve kept repeating them
that much for the same irrational reasons (anyway insults are always
irrational, as most of time it
ee, software is an attack at human
freedom, it is
tool of subjugation.
[0] §2 https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html#learnprogramming
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:04:03AM +0100, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > No you misunderstood the role, which is technical. So ambass
Le dimanche 3 novembre 2019, 22:34:04 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit :
> Hi Brandon,
>
> Brandon Invergo skribis:
> > For the past month or so, every message to the list has been subject to
> > moderation, so-called "emergency moderation". It has become clear that
> > the moderation was being used
Hi, I like discussion. This so because I like language. And therefore,
meaning.
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 04:32:04 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> Nobody believes this except for a few hysterical lunitics.
I think you’re wrong about lunatism. I think though mob attacks can seem
really lunatic,
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 06:41:29 CET, vous avez écrit :
> On 11/4/19 12:30 AM, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > I don’t like the term “bigotâ€. It seems mainly used against
> > individual, for individual purposes. Not a very social term.
>
> It is the corners
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 05:34:26 CET, vous avez écrit :
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 05:25:52AM +0100, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > But now about “hysterical”,
> French I have no idea about.
I think it’s the same in both.
> Regardless how many times it is said otherw
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 05:50:09 CET, vous avez écrit :
> 1 : of, relating to, or marked by hysteria hysterical conditions
> 2 : feeling or showing extreme and unrestrained emotion hysterical fans
> … the paper did not hesitate to appeal to racial passions in hysterical
> headlines and rabid
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 05:40:11 CET, vous avez écrit :
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 05:25:52AM +0100, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Hi, I like discussion. This so because I like language. And therefore,
> > meaning.
>
> Try the term Loshen HaRah
>
> it is Heb
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 06:46:36 CET, vous avez écrit :
> On 11/4/19 12:45 AM, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 06:41:29 CET, vous avez écrit :
> >> On 11/4/19 12:30 AM, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> >>> I don’t li
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 05:51:07 CET Mike Gerwitz a écrit :
> Ruben:
>
> On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 22:32:04 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Nobody believes this except for a few hysterical lunitics. Your
> > posting this as such is another form of disinformation and an attack on
> > the
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 09:56:20 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> > Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of
> > formalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by
> > inventing
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019 19:31:17 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I will reply once more, but it may be the last time in this thread. Please,
> Alexandre and others, if you wish to contribute, stop rambling and come to
> the point, and actually try to stick to a point that is raised and
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 12:17:18 CET Marcel a écrit :
> On 11/6/19 5:51 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
> >> Can you explain how “moderation was being used in a biased manner”,
> >> giving specific examples?
> >
> > I am also interested in answers to this question.
>
> You can look at the arbitrary
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 17:01:50 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> * Thompson [2019-11-06 15:37]:
> > They have engaged in behavior that ranges from annoying at best to
> > hateful at worst on many GNU lists.
> And I was
> faced with Ludovic's promotion of public shaming on the Guix mailing
>
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 14:00:33 CET Thompson, David a écrit :
> Hello moderators,
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> > there has been NO problematic behavior by RMS. You would never have
> > survived 30+ years in the spotlight like he has. He has been rock solid
> >
Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019, 22:11:03 CET Andreas a écrit :
> On Wed, 2019-11-06 at 19:31 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
> >
> >
> > Let me quote once more the paragraph that we are supposedly
> >
> > discussing:
> > > * GNU welcomes contributions from all and everyone
> > > We want to give everyone
All this has nothing to do with “obeying women” or religion. Many here
(including rms) are convinced atheists, and the whole gender thing is only to
bring more people in (as it is very sad and a waste than half the brain of
this world are underexploited), with more freedom (because freedom for
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, 13:45:57 CET Brandon Invergo a écrit :
> This is not a place to discuss other people.
> You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you
> would like here,
Aren’t these two statements contradictory (as governance is made of by people,
and
Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]:
> > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now
> > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated
> > t
Though before RMS has given feedback that can’t currently take any amount of
legitimacy (and that could go through, as previously noted, further
summarization,
renaming of 4th section, to save his time), I’d like to note 5th section could
link to the
list of endorsed distros [0] and maybe
Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at these, that
could very well be synonyms: unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/
static. They could have some nuance, but in some contexts they will mean the
same thing.
Yet, often, some are meliorative, others
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:13:10 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 05:26]:
> > Hi, I like discussion. This so because I like language. And therefore,
> > meaning.
> >
> > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019, 04:32:04 CET Ruben Safir a éc
Le mercredi 30 octobre 2019, 15:00:16 CET Marcel a écrit :
> Having read through the long "Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization"
> thread, I have decided to join this mailing list and express support for
> GNU (as it has evolved over the past 35 years) and its chief GNUisance,
> RMS, as well
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]:
> > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30:
> > > Though women participate in GNU,
> > > are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately,
>
Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 12:11:40 CET, vous avez écrit :
> * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 11:52]:
> > Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit :
> > > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]:
> > > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:25:13 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a
écrit :
> On 2020-02-24 19:36, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Le samedi 22 février 2020, 20:48:43 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> >> If anything, this message shows how much a code of conduct is needed.
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 23:00:22 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> You're right, he seems to have changed the strategy or something. I'm
> getting mails again now.
You need to filter by the “list-id” header. It is always
“hangout.nylxs.com”. That doesn’t change and it’s nice it doesn’t.
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:16:03 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> On 25.02.2020 19:59, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Le lundi 24 février 2020, 23:00:22 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> >> Not sure how to best filter these. Gmail doesn't seem to have
> >> anyth
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 15:22:52 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 08:56:24AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> > The text circulated is not a text by or for the GNU project, so this
> > is indeed not the best place for discussion of it
>
> Quite on the contrary, it is a text
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 18:40:38 CET Marcel a écrit :
> You may be able to add filters through your email provider's interface,
> based on the unique identifiers in those messages. I have successfully
> removed all of his spam in this way; the emails never make it to my
> inboxes.
Thankfully
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 05:37:56 CET Mark Galassi a écrit :
> It should be possible to watch this without proprietary s/w on your own
> computer:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDAl7lGGtSo
afaik no. Do you know a software that does it? because youtube changed
so that the only software
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 02:34:07 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit :
> Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > It was, and it is not “tolerated”, this is bad faith: it is simply
> > impossible to do anything about that.
>
> gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org list owners could remove ru..
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 21:07:27 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit :
> Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> > It isn't tolerated, but it is also something that those administrating
> > gnu-misc-discuss@ (or any GNU list) can do little about. You've been
> > forcefully subscribed to another list, the GNU project
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 13:26:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> because moderators have suppressed
> opposition to the rebelion by Andy and company, I have chosen in this
> case to NOT allow you to censor me.
This is wrong. There is still opposition from initiatives by Andy on
this list. And
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 22:23:19 CET Alexandre François Garreau a écrit
:
> Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:30:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> > I fear that with the direction these guys want to take GNU, it will
> > become a project aimed primarily at white middle class mostly-ma
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 20:30:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> On 25.02.2020 19:45, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> > Also I was commenting on the fact supporters of CoC don’t even abide
> > by
> > them. So it is likely they’re subjective enough not to realize they
&g
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 11:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit :
> On 23.02.2020 23:34, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > I do see that some people do not judge the document for what it
> > actually says, and I think it’s a pity.
> >
> > Over the last decade I have, again, not been silent about a desire to
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 06:28:07 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit :
> Taylan Kammer wrote:
> > I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
>
> What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying
> intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to harassment.
> Regarding punishing repeat offenders anyway, as we've seen just
> recently, you can't censor a determined individual on a public mailing
> list anyway. Limit their audience, sure, but banning them outright seems
> impossible. And I can hardly see the whole GNU project migrating off
> mailing
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 15:57:39 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit :
> Ian Lance Taylor skribis:
> > nipponm...@firemail.cc writes:
> >> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night
> >> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew,
> >> you
> >> know
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 00:55:09 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> As I mentioned in another mail, I am not talking about the software
> running the platform, but the community around the platform. It's the
> contact they get from the community living on a given platform, which
> makes the
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:51:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> Just a heads up:
>
> Since the easiest way to filter out Ruben's spam is to send everything
> associated with that mailing list to /dev/null, having that ML in the
> To: or Cc: headers of your email might cause people not to see it,
this is
automatically generated, and has no capabilities (other than hiding
information), doesn’t it have “no meaning” as a program? doesn’t this sort
of sub-“evaluation” is something akin to “decrypting”?--- Begin Message ---
Alexandre François Garreau writes:
> Le mardi 25 février 2020, 05:37
Le mercredi 26 février 2020, 03:58:40 CET Mike Gerwitz a écrit :
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 14:07:42 +, Mancini, Sabin (DFS) wrote:
> > Mike,
> > What about using bcc to prevent "scraping" email addresses ?
>
> All mail sent to the list would have to be hidden behind fake addresses
> generated
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 19:51:35 CET Taylan Kammer a écrit :
> Just a heads up:
>
> Since the easiest way to filter out Ruben's spam is to send everything
> associated with that mailing list to /dev/null, having that ML in the
> To: or Cc: headers of your email might cause people not to see it,
Le lundi 2 mars 2020, 20:06:25 CET Leo Famulari a écrit :
> John Darrington wrote:
> > Over the last few years many people have noticed a shift towards
> > extremist support of idealogy which is orthogonal to the Free
> > Software cause.
> Issues like privacy online, software patents, DRM, open
Le samedi 22 février 2020, 20:48:43 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> If anything, this message shows how much a code of conduct is needed.
I’ve just read https://wiki.gnu.tools/wiki:code-of-conduct
Beside the usage of the binary *-free english phrasing which is
unfortunate when applied to human
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 12:31:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58:28PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> > Firstly: I'm sorry that you are receiving those messages. People
> > should not feel harassed in that way when communicating on GNU lists.
>
> WRONG
>
> When people
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 09:49:02 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit :
> On 25.02.2020 3:58, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> >> Regarding punishing repeat offenders anyway, as we've seen just
> >> recently, you can't censor a determined individual on a public
> >> m
Le jeudi 27 février 2020, 16:27:57 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> Frankly, this entire email is a lie.
No you can’t say that.
> It is very subtle,
Yes it is. For that subtle fact: this mail doesn’t contain anything
factually false. So it’s not a lie, and doesn’t even necessarily contains
Le jeudi 27 février 2020, 15:36:16 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> If the maintainers don't like the GNU leadership, they should either
> conform to GNU requirments or leave.
GNU announced they require people to comply, not agree. This is important
for free software, to be able to survive even when
Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit :
> On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote:
> > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not
> > presuming anything else. It is you who write "all GNU contributors",
> > not me.
> Saying "us, GNU contributors" is
Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 12:20:07 CET Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> On 16/02/2020 09:43, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> >Can there be a more efficient way to achieve this?
> >
> > Since the GNU project isn't in control of the ghost list, we can't do
> > much to address that. :-( Do you have any
Le samedi 15 février 2020, 02:33:35 CET Mark Wielaard a écrit :
> This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman.
You may as well say “by the GNU Project in its current govermental state”.
But as you seem to be willing to ignore anything said to you about what is
GNU currently, as if
Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:37:33 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> > On 15.02.2020 20:02, Andreas Enge wrote:
> > > It is an agreement between those who endorse it, evidently. I am not
> > > presuming anything else. It is you who write
Le samedi 15 février 2020, 11:52:08 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit :
>This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman.
>
> That is quite false, you're free to do any kind of initiatives you
> wish, so it is quite the opposite. What the GNU project won't do is
> to require volunteers
Le samedi 15 février 2020, 19:25:56 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> I agree with your analysis that trying to form a stronger GNU community
> should (and probaby will) be an open-ended process, requiring ongoing
> efforts with all interested people. And maybe people who are not
> interested in the
Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 09:38:52 CET Kim Lee a écrit :
> u wnt it both ways! under the 1 hand u want moderation. at the same
> time u want not to be.
> i think u want other people moderated but not u.
>
> u r just arrogent!
Worse:
> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 um 01:23 Uhr
>
Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 02:27:22 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:52:10AM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 05:27:17AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> > > Since you are not the head of the GNU project, it is not in your
> > > capacity to decide what
Le mercredi 5 février 2020, 07:45:48 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a
écrit :
> On 2020-02-03 07:28, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> > the GNU System". Oof... Who are those "companion free software
> > projects"?
>
> This is basically just taking a mile-wide detour around saying "Linux".
>
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