Re: Wikipedia
On 04/24/2014 07:59 PM, Mark Holmquist wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 06:48:28PM +0200, Solal wrote: Wikipedia have an amoral approach of what is an encyclopedia. For example, Wikipedia rejects the use of the real name GNU/Linux in articles about this system because GNU/Linux is often called Linux. Actually they call the article Linux because the system is *commonly* called Linux, as referred to by WP:COMMONNAME[0]. If you disagree, you need to come up with citations that show consensus in the broader public that the system is called GNU/Linux by a broader audience. The archived talk page on this topic has lots of evidence to support the reverse case. To be precise, there may be other reasons to use GNU/Linux as the title, e.g. WP:POVNAME or even WP:PRECISE. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Wikipedia
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 06:48:28PM +0200, Solal wrote: Wikipedia have an amoral approach of what is an encyclopedia. For example, Wikipedia rejects the use of the real name GNU/Linux in articles about this system because GNU/Linux is often called Linux. Actually they call the article Linux because the system is *commonly* called Linux, as referred to by WP:COMMONNAME[0]. If you disagree, you need to come up with citations that show consensus in the broader public that the system is called GNU/Linux by a broader audience. The archived talk page on this topic has lots of evidence to support the reverse case. You'll note that Wikipedia happily redirects from [[GNU/Linux]][1] to [[Linux]], so you can use either one in URLs and wikilinks. But I fail to see how this is amoral. What you're describing seems to simply be a *different* set of morals from your own, or a different set of priorities that encompass many of the same morals. They have decided that their mission is to provide a neutral, understandable encyclopedia to the greatest number of people possible. For this purpose, they use a name that the most people possible will understand. Non-free software is an example of that amoral approach and thrives on it. Thus, in the long run it would be self-defeating for freedom to adopt that approach. Wikipedia uses this amoral approach, and makes it a rule. How is the linked policy ([0] in this email) at all amoral? Wanting e.g. Bill Clinton as the article title instead of the unrecognizable William Jefferson Clinton, even though the latter is more precise, seems like a very reasonable thing. Even if you could describe the policy as lacking morals, that would be a positive thing in the context of providing a neutral point of view for the article, so people are not swayed by one form of the argument or the other. This amoral approach is similar to the amoral open source approach of the FLOSS community. Again, I would love to see any support for your claim that the open source movement is amoral. Again I think they're simply focusing on different parts of the same philosophies, and it's unfair to so negatively brand them. We don't need to follow an identical path with them, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil and work towards a better world together. The free software movement isn't here to beat down everyone who disagrees on every little point. Please try to avoid rattling sabres at everyone in sight. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME#Use_commonly_recognizable_names [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU/Linuxredirect=no -- Mark Holmquist Associate Member, Free Software Foundation mtrac...@member.fsf.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Wikipedia
Wikipedia have an amoral approach of what is an encyclopedia. For example, Wikipedia rejects the use of the real name GNU/Linux in articles about this system because GNU/Linux is often called Linux[1]. Non-free software is an example of that amoral approach and thrives on it. Thus, in the long run it would be self-defeating for freedom to adopt that approach. Wikipedia uses this amoral approach, and makes it a rule[2]. This amoral approach is similar to the amoral open source approach of the FLOSS[3] community. [1]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux] [2]: [htttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names] [3]: I use the neutral term because I want to talk about the community which uses and develops this software genre, without refers to a particular approach for view this community. I use free software in other cases, because I promote the freedom-oriented approach. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
NYC LOCAL: Saturday 7 July 2012: Wikipedia and Free Culture Gathering on Governors Island
blockquote what=official Wikipedia announcement taken-from=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_World%27s_Fair [page was last modified on 5 July 2012 at 01:37] edits=much stuff removed; 'see pic' line added note=Freedom Box Hack Gathering starts Monday 9 July 2012 at Columbia University in the City of New York, look down this page: http://freedomboxfoundation.org Lisp NYC on Tuesday 10 July 2012: http://lispnyc.org NYC*BUG, yes, on Wednesday 11 July 2012: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=homeid=10323 HOPE starts Friday the Thirteenth July 2012: http://wiki.hope.net/Main_Page; Wikipedia:Wiki World's Fair From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... / Governors Island is just awesome. see pic in original / You'll get a bunch of these to build your Wiki-Pavilion on site. The Wiki World's Fair / Free Culture Festival will be held on Governors Island in beautiful New York Harbor on Saturday July 7 (raindate: Sunday July 8) as part of the Great American Wiknic, and as part of Wikimedia New York City's welcoming international visitors for Wikimania Takes Manhattan. The event will combine a wiki-picnic and civic celebration in the southern section of the Parade Ground, sharing an area with the FIGMENT participatory art festival's arcade-themed artist-designed minigolf course, sculpture garden, and treehouse. The celebration will be led by Wikimedians and Free Culture Alliance NYC, with DIY fair pavilions (bamboo poles to be provided!) for numerous represented Wikiverse and Free Culture initiatives. You can sign up below, or also RSVP on the meetup.com page. The event will last from 11am to 3pm. For the regular monthly wiki-meetings in the New York area, see Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. ... / /blockquote Distributed poC TINC: Jay Sulzberger secret...@lxny.org Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: NYC LOCAL: Saturday 7 July 2012: Wikipedia and Free Culture Gathering on Governors Island
On 7 Jul 2012 02:55:52 -0400, secret...@lxny.org wrote: Wikipedia:Wiki World's Fair The event will combine a wiki-picnic and civic celebration in the southern section of the Parade Ground, sharing an area with the FIGMENT participatory art festival's arcade-themed artist-designed minigolf course, sculpture garden, and treehouse. The celebration will be led by Wikimedians and Free Culture Alliance NYC, with DIY fair pavilions (bamboo poles to be provided!) for numerous represented Wikiverse and Free Culture initiatives. Jay Sulzberger secret...@lxny.org Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org A tree house? Build your own pavilion? That's sure to reel the spectators in.. This has to be some kind of a joke? BTW it's going to be close to 100 degrees out today. http://www.weather.com/weather/today/New+York+NY+10001:4:US Are you guys going to make your own suntan lotion as well? Bw! ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: NYC LOCAL: Saturday 7 July 2012: Wikipedia and Free Culture Gathering on Governors Island
On 7/7/2012 7:25 AM, Foster wrote: On 7 Jul 2012 02:55:52 -0400, secret...@lxny.org wrote: Wikipedia:Wiki World's Fair The event will combine a wiki-picnic and civic celebration in the southern section of the Parade Ground, sharing an area with the FIGMENT participatory art festival's arcade-themed artist-designed minigolf course, sculpture garden, and treehouse. The celebration will be led by Wikimedians and Free Culture Alliance NYC, with DIY fair pavilions (bamboo poles to be provided!) for numerous represented Wikiverse and Free Culture initiatives. Jay Sulzberger secret...@lxny.org Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org A tree house? Build your own pavilion? That's sure to reel the spectators in.. This has to be some kind of a joke? BTW it's going to be close to 100 degrees out today. http://www.weather.com/weather/today/New+York+NY+10001:4:US Are you guys going to make your own suntan lotion as well? Bw! Free Culture of Alliance NYC??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sounds like they squashed grapes with their feet hoping to make some wine... only they didn't wash their feet. :D Add some toejam and the wine can be called Pinot Toe. :D ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
NYC LOCAL: Sunday 24 January 2010 Wikipedia Day NYC
blockquote what=part of official Wikimedia New York City announcement at http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEVFNUpnYnFEYWRZcUg3MVZWMWJxbHc6MA; more=http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_New_York_City; where=Kimmel Center is just south of Washington Square Park on the Island of the Manahattoes edits=not all the page is included Wikipedia Day NYC will be held on Sunday January 24, 2010 on the 8th floor of Kimmel Center at NYU from 1-7 PM. The event is in commemoration of Wikipedia Day and the 9th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site. We are especially happy to welcome newcomers and the interested public to the Wikipedia world with this event! /blockquote Distributed poC TINC: Jay Sulzberger secret...@lxny.org Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:03:24 -0500, AzzMazta wrote: Following the National Treasure pattern. Here's what I mean: Proper thinking: Wikipedia contributor behavior-AzzMazta's suggestion of linkage to school bullying and narcissism-Cork Soaker: What are you going on about, loon?-(insert your personal opinion on Wikipedia contributors, or the main argument in the post, here)-(continue responding to posts by AzzMazta, Cork Soaker, Miles Bader, and others with relevant answers) National Treasure: Wikipedia contributor behavior-AzzMazta's suggestion of linkage to school bullying and narcissism-Cork Soaker: What are you going on about, loon?-AzzMazta's crazy-Spammers can be crazy-Hackers can be crazy too-AzzMazta probably placed links to malware-Malware on Wikipedia gets you banned-If AzzMazta's banned, he's probably upset-Miles Bader: He's complaining on the newsgroups about being banned for spamming Wikipedia with links to malware! What Cork Soaker just did, also the National Treasure sequence: (National Treasure sequence above)-Upset, he must take psychiatric medication-psychatric medication is prescribed-He must have not taken any prescribed medication of any kind recently! You are stupider than the movie. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
The Six Sins of the Wikipedia http://samvak.tripod.com/wikipedia.html ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
On Dec 26, 8:42 pm, AzzMazta penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:50:01 -0800 (PST), mike3 wrote: So what's the main argument in the post? Sounds more like just stating opinions about Wikipedia contributors than an argument. Wikipedia is frequently criticized for censorship - this is often discussed in these newsgroups. I agree that censorship occurs on Wikipedia, having dealt with it myself in the past (no, not because of malware spam). I suggested that maybe the user base consists primarily of bullied students. I should have mentioned, it seems that the articles which are blocked from public editing are always topics which would appeal to/be targets for [junior]high-schoolers, like Zac Efron, Emo, Jonas Brothers, Michael Jackson, Ass, Fuck, Penis, Gay, Tits, Family Guy, Rugrats, and Spongebob Well there's also a lot more that are less crude, too, such as Dinosaur, Genetic engineering, Italy (!), Jew (go figure), Jesus, Christianity, Atheism, Middle East, Iran, and Moon (!!). In general, most blocked articles are usually hot and controversial topics and/ or ones where people hold strong views (e.g. Jew, Middle East, Iran, the religious articles, etc. Moon? That's an odd one.) with strong emotions behind them. Such is not limited to high school kids subjected to the evil of bullying. Though it is possible such high school kids may be the reason for blocking of the crude articles you mention. But not all of them, as many more are blocked that are not crude stuff at all. For a full list of blocked articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pp-protected I'm curious as to some of the examples of the WP censorship you are referring to. How would you know it was high school kids and not possibly others (there are others that could take advantage of censoring WP too)? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
On Dec 27, 2:48 pm, mike3 mike4...@yahoo.com wrote: On Dec 26, 8:42 pm, AzzMazta penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:50:01 -0800 (PST), mike3 wrote: So what's the main argument in the post? Sounds more like just stating opinions about Wikipedia contributors than an argument. Wikipedia is frequently criticized for censorship - this is often discussed in these newsgroups. I agree that censorship occurs on Wikipedia, having dealt with it myself in the past (no, not because of malware spam). I suggested that maybe the user base consists primarily of bullied students. I should have mentioned, it seems that the articles which are blocked from public editing are always topics which would appeal to/be targets for [junior]high-schoolers, like Zac Efron, Emo, Jonas Brothers, Michael Jackson, Ass, Fuck, Penis, Gay, Tits, Family Guy, Rugrats, and Spongebob Well there's also a lot more that are less crude, too, such as Dinosaur, Genetic engineering, Italy (!), Jew (go figure), Jesus, Christianity, Atheism, Middle East, Iran, and Moon (!!). In general, most blocked articles are usually hot and controversial topics and/ or ones where people hold strong views (e.g. Jew, Middle East, Iran, the religious articles, etc. Moon? That's an odd one.) with strong emotions behind them. Such is not limited to high school kids subjected to the evil of bullying. Though it is possible such high school kids may be the reason for blocking of the crude articles you mention. But not all of them, as many more are blocked that are not crude stuff at all. For a full list of blocked articles:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pp-protected I'm curious as to some of the examples of the WP censorship you are referring to. How would you know it was high school kids and not possibly others (there are others that could take advantage of censoring WP too)? Just thought to add to all the above: Hey!!! Maybe the bullies themselves are in there editing too! ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
On Dec 25, 1:51 pm, AzzMazta penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:52:47 +, Cork Soaker wrote: AzzMazta wrote: Following the National Treasure pattern. Here's what I mean: Proper thinking: Completely and utterly barking mad. *That* is proper logical thinking. You stated your opinion on my post describing the sequence of events - that it was completely and utterly barking mad. Or that I was completely and utterly barking mad for believing that (or posting that). This entire thread is absolutely, utterly, pointless. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
AzzMazta wrote: ...just a bunch of conceited, immature, juvenile, control-freaks who get picked on every day by the school bully and take it out on the Internet when they get off the bus? Bullying is evil. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:50:01 -0800 (PST), mike3 wrote: So what's the main argument in the post? Sounds more like just stating opinions about Wikipedia contributors than an argument. Wikipedia is frequently criticized for censorship - this is often discussed in these newsgroups. I agree that censorship occurs on Wikipedia, having dealt with it myself in the past (no, not because of malware spam). I suggested that maybe the user base consists primarily of bullied students. I should have mentioned, it seems that the articles which are blocked from public editing are always topics which would appeal to/be targets for [junior]high-schoolers, like Zac Efron, Emo, Jonas Brothers, Michael Jackson, Ass, Fuck, Penis, Gay, Tits, Family Guy, Rugrats, and Spongebob -- AzzMazta's Political Institute Verbal Diarrhea More Washington, DC http://www.youtube.com/apinst/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
AzzMazta wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:06:09 +, Cork Soaker wrote: AzzMazta wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:28:19 +, Cork Soaker wrote: AzzMazta wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:00:36 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Clearly his attempts to spam his malware on wikipedia got him banned... Why do Wikipedia users (most of the political open-source supporters do the same thing) make huge National Treasure-style jumps in their thinking and actions? Why are you still talking nonsense? Miles Bader's remark linking an opinion on Wikipedia users to a supposed spamming and spreading malware follows the same type of disconnection in logic as found in the National Treasure movies. That's nice. Have you taken your drugs? Following the National Treasure pattern. Here's what I mean: Proper thinking: Wikipedia contributor behavior-AzzMazta's suggestion of linkage to school bullying and narcissism-Cork Soaker: What are you going on about, loon?-(insert your personal opinion on Wikipedia contributors, or the main argument in the post, here)-(continue responding to posts by AzzMazta, Cork Soaker, Miles Bader, and others with relevant answers) National Treasure: Wikipedia contributor behavior-AzzMazta's suggestion of linkage to school bullying and narcissism-Cork Soaker: What are you going on about, loon?-AzzMazta's crazy-Spammers can be crazy-Hackers can be crazy too-AzzMazta probably placed links to malware-Malware on Wikipedia gets you banned-If AzzMazta's banned, he's probably upset-Miles Bader: He's complaining on the newsgroups about being banned for spamming Wikipedia with links to malware! What Cork Soaker just did, also the National Treasure sequence: (National Treasure sequence above)-Upset, he must take psychiatric medication-psychatric medication is prescribed-He must have not taken any prescribed medication of any kind recently! Completely and utterly barking mad. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
AzzMazta wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:28:19 +, Cork Soaker wrote: AzzMazta wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:00:36 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Clearly his attempts to spam his malware on wikipedia got him banned... Why do Wikipedia users (most of the political open-source supporters do the same thing) make huge National Treasure-style jumps in their thinking and actions? Why are you still talking nonsense? Miles Bader's remark linking an opinion on Wikipedia users to a supposed spamming and spreading malware follows the same type of disconnection in logic as found in the National Treasure movies. That's nice. Have you taken your drugs? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
AzzMazta wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:00:36 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Cork Soaker thunderb...@intrepid.invalid writes: ...just a bunch of conceited, immature, juvenile, control-freaks who get picked on every day by the school bully and take it out on the Internet when they get off the bus? What are you going on about, loon? Clearly his attempts to spam his malware on wikipedia got him banned... Why do Wikipedia users (most of the political open-source supporters do the same thing) make huge National Treasure-style jumps in their thinking and actions? Why are you still talking nonsense? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
Cork Soaker thunderb...@intrepid.invalid writes: ...just a bunch of conceited, immature, juvenile, control-freaks who get picked on every day by the school bully and take it out on the Internet when they get off the bus? What are you going on about, loon? Clearly his attempts to spam his malware on wikipedia got him banned... -Miles -- `...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.' [The Economist] ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Is Wikipedia censorship or...
AzzMazta wrote: ...just a bunch of conceited, immature, juvenile, control-freaks who get picked on every day by the school bully and take it out on the Internet when they get off the bus? What are you going on about, loon? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
