Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Stallman
ng to do with dropbox.com? If so, then my concern was a false alarm. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Stallman
sed > under GPL-2, but now that I've rechecked the code it does not visibly carry > any license. It would probably be a good idea to ask doxygen to include some > GPL header in every included JavaScript file. Yes, we should do that. Can you find a contact there I can ask? -- Dr Rich

Re: GFDL holds the answer about fancy javascript (was: gnuradio project..)

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
you please tell me the URLs of the pages in question? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: GFDL holds the answer about fancy javascript (was: gnuradio project..)

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
e ethical issue in this area is that all Javascript code sent to the user must be free. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
ect > website documentation, and just trying to establish a connection to > ftp.gnu.org will fail with "Error: Bad IP connecting". I asked the sysadmins to check this. Thanks. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (intern

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist (was: gnuradio..)

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
st as CloudFlare has no right to change the copies of free software that we run on our servers. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html may help clarify this. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Richard Stallman
mirror. Last I heard we had lots of mirrors. Making another kind of mirror would be useful too. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: FSF has a duty to flag GNU Radio for violations (was: s/w that requires middleman..)

2017-03-02 Thread Richard Stallman
t; available where? At GNU. I agree that such uniformity would be better -- but many GNU packages distribute in other ways, and have done so for a long time. Convincing them to make this more uniform will not be easy. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Richard Stallman
eone would write manuals for them. Perhaps someone here will do so? Is there a specific concrete problem with the distribution of GNU Radio manuals? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Richard Stallman
s a simple task which requires non-free > javascript. I had to answer a captcha, but it was a kind of captcha that does not use nonfree JS code. I had no trouble answering it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethallo

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
with LibreJS active. The fact that some other browsers have trouble is unfortunate. But since our recommended free browser works ok, my conclusion is that this doesn't rise to the level of an ethical problem. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
wise, can you please show the specific text in the license that you think is being violated? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Re: Guix != GNU GSD == True

2015-01-29 Thread Richard Stallman
recall that we are not using the term GSD to refer to the Guix-based distro. Please stop posting messages which presuppose we are using that term. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree

Re: Guix != GNU GSD == True

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Stallman
(or avant-garde) system distribution. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: Guix != GNU GSD == True

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Stallman
the guix package manager and guixSD on a single website, with a single logo, and a single space for documentation (in 1 or 2 files, does not matter). On a single web page, maybe ok, but they should have two different logos since they are different things. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free

Re: What to call Parabola

2015-01-27 Thread Richard Stallman
as respectful of other GNU systems. It should say GNU's advanced system distribution. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-20 Thread Richard Stallman
, let's use GuixSD. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
lead to various kinds of confusion. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
system distribution, and this is it. I am not going to make a premature commitment such as that. Therefore, any name which suggests that is a no-no. GSD as an abbreviation for GNU system distribution has the same problem, plus the unfortunate resemblance to BSD. -- Dr Richard Stallman President

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
the terms of the CC-BY-NC 3.0. How sad that it still has a nonfree license. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
is sort of ok. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
the task of gathering the brunt of these suggestions @ http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Guix/Suggested_Distro_Names I will semd mail to fetch that page. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
. Not as clever and funny as Guixotic, but if the Guix developers prefer it, I will go along. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Stallman
it, perhaps not as clever and funny as Guixotic but they'd be acceptable. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Stallman
be interpreted as a deprecation of them. So I should not accept that name. In other words, if the case is not clear, we should use some other name. Please look for a name that would not place this distro over the other free distros. I must not make their developers feel bad. -- Dr Richard

Re: What to call Guix

2015-01-15 Thread Richard Stallman
problems: * It doesn't say that this is a distribution of the GNU _system_. * It implies this is the one and only software distribution that is connected with GNU. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way

Re: [ANN] Artanis-0.0.1 released

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2014-12-22 Thread Richard Stallman
/Group:Guix/Suggested_Distro_Names in the event GNU could not be used. I like Guixotic. After all, so many people have called the GNU Project Quixotic. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's

Re: x15

2014-12-17 Thread Richard Stallman
think I will stick with a device with no modem chip. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: What to call Guix

2014-12-17 Thread Richard Stallman
the A is the intended clue that it is not *the* distribution. I would like to say that the Guix GNU/Linux is _the one and only_ XYZ for some XYZ. I'm looking for a suitable XYZ that is disjoint from the other existing free distros. Perhaps experimental or advanced. -- Dr Richard Stallman

Re: The next step of GNU in pure technical perspective

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Stallman
not directly implement POSIX interfaces. The C library does substantial work in order to provide POSIX semantics on top of Hurd interfaces. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom

Re: The future of mobile computing.

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Stallman
signature. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: The next step of GNU in pure technical perspective (was: When can we expect a version 1.0 of the GNU Operating System?)

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Stallman
don't know whose site that is. Not mine. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: The future of mobile computing.

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Stallman
use of: crowdsupply. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: The next step of GNU in pure technical perspective (was: When can we expect a version 1.0 of the GNU Operating System?)

2014-12-10 Thread Richard Stallman
. What URL needs to be corrected? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: The next step of GNU in pure technical perspective (was: When can we expect a version 1.0 of the GNU Operating System?)

2014-12-09 Thread Richard Stallman
ago, the Hurd lacked many of the useful features found in Linux. These had nothing to do with the essential differences between Hurd and Linux, but they meant that the Hurd needed a lot of work to be a competitor. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA

Re: GNU/Hurd Oprating system roadmap inquery.

2014-12-05 Thread Richard Stallman
code of Linux. Our main goal is to free people from proprietary software. When we started the Hurd, in 1990, Linux had not even been thought of, and we had no prospect of getting any free kernel except to write one ourselves. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin

Re: Democratic Leadership

2014-12-03 Thread Richard Stallman
for GNU in recent years, and I'm looking for ways to delegate more to specific people I will choose. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga

Re: When can we expect a version 1.0 of the GNU Operating System?

2014-11-22 Thread Richard Stallman
the GNU developers back from releasing the first version of the GNU Operating System. I know that's ironic and sad, but it's, guess what: RMS. Development of Guix is going on. The question is what we should call things. That's what I must think carefully about. -- Dr Richard Stallman

Re: When can we expect a version 1.0 of the GNU Operating System?

2014-11-22 Thread Richard Stallman
to say The GNU project's distribution of the GNU operating system. Hold your horses. This may be very undesirable -- I explained the issues in another message. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way

Re: Is Guix just the next step into having GNU as a real operating system?

2014-08-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Re: Update on distro bootstrapping with Guix

2012-12-30 Thread Richard Stallman
by the size of each library. That would use efficiently whatever amount of space is allocated for the cache. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga

Re: Introducing GNU Guix

2012-11-26 Thread Richard Stallman
Is Stow still useful, or should we think of Guix as a replacement for it? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call

Re: Update on distro bootstrapping with Guix

2012-10-13 Thread Richard Stallman
the best of both worlds. You will be able to update shared libraries without reinstalling applications, and most of the time everything will use the updated library, but you can make an application use an older library version when you prefer. What do you think? -- Dr Richard Stallman President

Re: Update on distro bootstrapping with Guix

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Stallman
sources to get the .h files. Referring to Torvalds' nonfree code is sending the wrong message. Please ack when this is fixed. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying

Re: Update on distro bootstrapping with Guix

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call

Re: Update on distro bootstrapping with Guix

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Stallman
[2] https://gitorious.org/guix/guix/blobs/master/distro/packages/base.scm Any particular reason it uses kernel.org Linux instead of Linux libre? Is that true? It must not use vanilla Linux, because that includes nonfree software. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software

Re: GNU Coding Standards: Errors

2012-08-19 Thread Richard Stallman
. That is a strange message, since it appears to describe an internal condition rather than an error in the input. How about discussing with the GCC developers what's up? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-15 Thread Richard Stallman
this, that is good. I thought we were still in the stage of arguing about what sort of thing to do. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Would you like to work with a few others to design a format that extends Texinfo SXML and would be adequate for the job of fast display of manuals in Emacs? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Richard Stallman
Emacs render the XML or SXML output that we would get from our manuals? Is that feasible? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Richard Stallman
format. And the code in makeinfo that we use to convert Texinfo won't be the code Emacs uses for this. Notwithstanding that, use of Texinfo XML is a good option to consider too. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-12 Thread Richard Stallman
Would you like to help design a specific format, based on HTML, that we could use to implement the Info features that browsers don't have? What about just Texinfo, or Texinfo-as-sexps? If it works, why not? Stefan, would this work? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free

Re: New GNU project

2012-06-19 Thread Richard Stallman
What does a new GNU operating system mean? GNU IS an operating system. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-06-05 Thread Richard Stallman
Ludovic aka l...@gnu.org starded a project implementing nix package definitions in scheme/guile: https://gitorious.org/guix That's cool. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-09 Thread Richard Stallman
it), means that GNU already effectively has a system like Portage without having to write anything more than maybe a bit of glue code or a GUI. That is good news. (So we don't need to think about Daniel Robbins.) Is anyone interested in working on the interface to do this? -- Dr Richard

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-08 Thread Richard Stallman
it noticeably slower to run a command? I wonder why they don't populate /usr/bin and ~/bin with the installed commands. Is it just to make it functional, or is there a practical reason? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-08 Thread Richard Stallman
, it would have to become the main free distro. If it simply becomes one among several free distros, then it would not gain much for GNU in PR terms, and would divide efforts, and that would be counterproductive in several ways. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-07 Thread Richard Stallman
can't be available but it seems wrong for the GNU Operating System to not be using its own components by default. You're quite right. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-07 Thread Richard Stallman
? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-07 Thread Richard Stallman
With Nix, how does the shell search for an executable? It searches PATH for the right executable. What dirs does it find them in? Is it true that /bin does not exist as we are used to? If it's true, how is it different and why? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-07 Thread Richard Stallman
specifically for hackers can be a useful activity, especially if it enables making free software do that better. But the goal of our 28 years of work is broader than that. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-07 Thread Richard Stallman
of this discussion. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-06 Thread Richard Stallman
convenient one. I don't know whether dselect and Ubuntu's package mgr depend on some features of .deb packages. Meanwhile, I just read about Nix and it sounds really great. Does it have a downside that isn't obvious? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-06 Thread Richard Stallman
, this reasoning would be valid. But it makes no sense to do so much work and fail to include the feature of binary packages. This limitation would be gratuitous, since we already have fine free software for binary packages. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-04-04 Thread Richard Stallman
At this time we have also an . AUR (arch user repository) . PUR (parabola user repository) What does it mean to say that Parabola has an arch user repository? I can see too many possible meanings. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-03-31 Thread Richard Stallman
mean, here, if it doesn't mean You compile everything yourself? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category

Re: A GNU Distribution

2012-03-31 Thread Richard Stallman
the question of what it would consist of, and how to develop and maintain it. Either we would endorse some existing free distro that uses Linux-libre, or make another. Both options have problems, previously discussed. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-10-10 Thread Richard Stallman
But since you cannot escape a sub-hurd currently, it has limit use; one cannot run for example a web server inside a sub-hurd for security reasons, since you cannot send things outside of the sub-hurd (no access to the network). Now we are getting at the real issues. For most

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-10-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Since one can access all processes that are running in a sub-hurd from the main system (say, using gdb), one could have a special program, that listens to the messages that process sends. Now say that you wish to allow network communication to be allowed from the sub-hurd,

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-10-08 Thread Richard Stallman
What exactly this should do, to get the job done and be secure, is the question that we can answer by trying to really implement this. It is already implemented, and has been implemented for the past 10 years. Is there an application that really uses a sub-hurd?

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-10-01 Thread Richard Stallman
One would have to allow access to /servers/socket/2 from the underlying system to be able to get networking, and probobly other files as well depending on what one wishes to use the sub-hurd for; like block devices, normal files, etc. We would need to modify sub-hurds so that

Re: A proposed Roadmap

2007-09-19 Thread Richard Stallman
If the Hurd provides more power and/or better security, that won't directly change the user experience. However, programmers and sysadmins will take advantage of them, and the result will be better user experience too. This is true, but why put so much effort into

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-09-19 Thread Richard Stallman
It would be useful to make a precise proposal to eliminate chroot as a mechanism and use sub-hurds to do the same job. Then people could look for flaws in it and we could see if it really works. I'm not sure what such a proposal would look like, or how one would find

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Sorry about the delay, I did not see your answer. Off course that will be translated material and absolutely not new material in French. If you want to do that, please do. However, updating the English material is more useful.

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-09-14 Thread Richard Stallman
I think people are concentrating on the outdated chroot model far to much. The Hurd already has a immensly secure way to create a secure box from which one cannot escape, it is called a sub-hurd. It would be useful to make a precise proposal to eliminate chroot as a mechanism and use

Re: chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity .html

2007-09-13 Thread Richard Stallman
Well, as I pointed out above, the interesting case are translators created from within the chroot. How would you handle that? I was thinking about a different problem. I thought you were, too.

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Linux is moving more and more towards a very hybrid kernel, that is looking more and more like a microkernel. It already does several things that we already do, user level file systems and drivers for example. It already does several things that we would like in GNU/Hurd as

Re: A proposed Roadmap

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Problems 2 through 7 are solved in my proposed road map by releasing an initial version of the GNU OS that uses a 100% Linux kernel. Phase 1: Linux kernel + Linux drivers Name aside, how would this differ from an existing free GNU/Linux system such as gNewSense? I think Olaf

Re: A proposed Roadmap

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
I had the impression from what I've read on this list, that one of the long term goals is to make Hurd work without the need to borrow parts of Linux. We would surely like to do that, but it doesn't make sense to fully rewrite the ext2 and ext3 file systems. It would be a lot of work

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
One issue Marcus pointed out at some point is the infamous firmlink problem, i.e. that a translator set by a different user can lead to undesired behaviour. (If the user has a symlink to '/' in /tmp or his home directory for example, an rm -r on it launched by root

chroot issues and http://tri-ceps.blogspot.com/2007/07/theory-of-filesystem-relativity.html

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
* Simply don't allow setting passive translators inside a chroot at all. After all, chroot is only for UNIX compatibility, and translators are not a UNIX concept... This doesn't do the job. Suppose someone creates the passive translator or firmlink in the directory, and later

Re: A proposed Roadmap

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Okay, using Linux in any form as part of the GNU System is not an option. Understood. Just out of curiosity, can you explain why it doesn't make sense? See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxgnu. (I have too much mail to spend time on this.)

Re: A proposed Roadmap

2007-09-09 Thread Richard Stallman
I for one have very little idea of what the GNU system is intended to look like, not with respect to kernel hacking or super-advanced features or driver implementations, but simply from a basic user and/or sysadmin perspective. From a basic user perspective, it would look pretty

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-07 Thread Richard Stallman
These patches and fixes have to be considered one by one. If they have been put together in one branch, that means he has to disentangle them in order to consider them. They were already considered one by one, so that job is already done. Since Thomas is acting as the

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-07 Thread Richard Stallman
This depends on what issues you are refering to. The two (semi-serious) problems that Marcus pointed out wrt to passive translators and firmlinks can be solved. As was pointed out by Bushenell, and someone else. I would like to see these solutions. Could someone please show them

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
The difference is that between Linux N and N+1, the changes are minimal and very incremental. The Hurd and Hurd-NG will have no similarities at all other than the name. Marcus told me that most of the servers would be just slightly changed.

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
Anyone who think that Hurd-NG will not have as flaws just like the Hurd currently has should not write software. Please don't presume to tell others whether they should write software. Nobody can design a flawless program, this is simply a fact. You've

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
Once again, I totally agree with you and I repeat, till we fix/focus on our organizational problems, nothing good can emerge from current development (sorry to think/to say that, it is not targeted at current active Hurd developers). In a volunteer project, the only way to improve

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
GNU Mach is not fundamentally obsolete or bad, I really do not understand where people get this idea from. That's what is said about GNU Mach... According to what Marcos told me, GNU Mach is fundamentally incapable of properly doing the job we had in mind for it to do. This

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
Is there anyone here who has the skills to install the large file system support, and wants to do it? I will take care of this issue. Thank you very much.

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
You can just merge ams-branch to HEAD, will save you alot of work. It still contains a slew of patches and bug fixes that have not been commited. These patches and fixes have to be considered one by one. If they have been put together in one branch, that means he has to disentangle

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-09-04 Thread Richard Stallman
What Marcos said is that some low-level parts of the Hurd need to be redesigned for Hurd-NG, but lots of servers would just be ported.

Re: Maintenance of the Hurd

2007-08-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I always hoped that the project's seniors, Thomas Bushnell and Roland McGrath, would get more active again and make some decision about existing interface-changing (category (c)) issues, but this hasn't really happened yet. It is good to have their input, when they give it. But

Re: Maintenance of the Hurd parts in glibc

2007-07-30 Thread Richard Stallman
For getting invasive (read: interface changes and the like) changes into the Hurd we'd need (a) people to come up with such changes (!) and (b) have them attract Thomas Bushnell's or Roland McGrath's or Marcus Brinkmann's attention (which often enough is not trivial). But I

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-07-26 Thread Richard Stallman
In my opinion, what the Hurd needs right now, and first of all, is a maintainer which applies patches and, once that works, some sort of advertising to attract new hackers. I think you are right.

Re: Maintenance of the Hurd parts in glibc (was: about GNU Hurd)

2007-07-23 Thread Richard Stallman
Actually, patches got submitted to the bugzilla, but never got a look at (and I personnally didn't know that glibc developper don't have time to look at them). I submitted them to libc-alpha, and Roland applied them immediately. Maybe this indicates an organization problem: that

Re: about GNU Hurd

2007-07-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Linux has no choice but to stick with GPLv2 as they removed the `or any later version' clause, and therefore to change the license to GPLv3 would require the consent of all the copyright holders. But to be honest the license doesn't matter that much, as long as it is free. Our

Re: Status

2006-06-12 Thread Richard Stallman
The functionality we want in stowfs is the functionality of dpkg (dpkg reports if any dependencies are not resolved to any program using it), not apt-get. I agree. ___ gnu-system-discuss mailing list gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org

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